主演：史宾塞·屈塞
伯特·兰开斯特
理查德德·威德马克
玛琳·戴德丽
马克西米利安·谢尔
茱迪·嘉兰
片名：纽伦堡大审判
纽伦堡, 德国 1948年
I didn't know it was so bad.
我不知道会有这么糟.
A couple of incendiaries, these old buildings go up like Cellophane.
一系列纵火案, 造就了这大堆的建筑物
A wall separates the old section of Nuremberg from the new.
在纽伦堡, 新城区和旧城区是分离的.
It goes back to... How far does it go back, Schmidt?
大概有... 大概相隔有多远, 歇米特?
- 1219, sir. - 1219.
- 1219, 先生 - 1219.
This is where the Nazi party held their rallies, isn't it?
这是纳粹重整旗鼓的地方, 不是吗?
They all came here. Hitler, Goebbels, the whole crew.
希特勒还有其他团体都到这来.
Thousands of them, from all over Germany.
德国的千万人民都到此.
Does he have to blow that damn horn so much?
他一定要把喇叭弄的那么响吗?
It's not necessary to blow the horn so much, Schmidt.
没必要把喇叭弄这么响, 歇米特.
- You both know your duties? - Ja.
- 你们都知道你们的职责吗? - 是.
Well, here we are. A little bit of old Germany.
好, 我们到了 有点沧桑的德国.
- Senator Burkette. - Captain Byers, this is Judge Haywood.
- 柏凯特参议员. - 柏尔斯上尉, 这是海伍德法官.
- Byers here will be your aide. - My what?
- 柏尔斯将会是你在这的助手. - 我的什么?
Clerk, general guide, liaison. Any capacity you wish to use me.
办事员、导游. 任何你希望我来做的工作.
This will be your staff, Mr and Mrs Halbestadt.
他们将是你的后勤补给, 海尔柏斯德夫妇.
- Hello. - Good afternoon.
- 你好. - 下午好.
Good afternoon, Your Honour.
下午好, 法官大人.
- Welcome. - You've met your driver, Schmidt.
- 欢迎. - 你已经见过你的司机了, 歇米特.
I'm at your service any time you need me. Day or night.
我24小时随时准备为你服务.
Thanks.
谢谢.
Let's show him around the rest of the place. Dan.
让我们带他继续参观一下其他地方. 丹.
We're in the reception room.
我们现在会客室.
Living room. The study is in there.
客厅. 书房在那.
There are two bedrooms on this floor, three upstairs.
这层有两个卧房, 楼上有三个.
The furniture is part antique, part US army.
这些家具部分是原有的, 部分是美国军队提供.
The piano is showing signs of wear and tear, but it's a genuine Bechstein.
钢琴有些旧, 不过也是名牌古董.
- Quite a view, isn't it, sir? - Yes.
- 景色不错吧? - 是.
Senator, I really, really don't need all this.
参议员, 我不需要这样的环境
When the US government does something, it does it right.
美国政府办事的话总没有错的.
- Who used to live here? - An important Nazi general and his wife.
- 过去谁住在这里? - 一位重要纳粹高官同他太太
Is there anything else Judge Haywood ought to know?
还有什么应该让海伍德法官知道的呢?
- Sir, any questions? - Yes, yes.
- 先生, 有什么问题吗? - 是
- You're West Point, aren't you? - Yes.
- 你是西点军校出来的, 是吧? - 是
- What's your first name? - Harrison. Harry.
- 你的第一名字是? - 哈里斯. 哈里.
Well, Harry, look. I'm not West Point, and all this formality kind of gets me down.
好的, 哈里 我不是西点军校的.
It puts me ill at ease. You think it would be too much of an infraction of the rules
你这样的规矩让我拘束
if you were to call me Judge or Dan or something?
你可以直接称呼我法官或者丹好了?
OK, Judge. We do all our shopping at the army commissary.
好的, 法官 我们的日常供给都在军需处办理.
There isn't enough food at the local markets. The driver knows where it is.
当地食物不足, 司机知道路的.
Here's a copy of the indictment of the case.
这是案件的控告资料.
- Thanks. - I hope you'll be comfortable here, sir.
- 谢谢. - 希望你在此愉快, 先生.
Captain, I think the whole state of Maine would be comfortable here.
上尉, 我想这里会很舒适的.
My office is next to yours, if you need anything.
我的办公室就在隔壁, 可以随时找我.
- Thank you. - Senator.
- 谢谢 - 参议员.
Do you think I need the three servants? It kind of makes me feel like a damn fool.
你觉得我需要三个仆人吗？ 我这样感觉自己像傻瓜.
Well, it helps them out as well as you. You see, here they eat.
你看, 这也是帮助了他们啊 解决了他们的吃住.
Oh. Well, I need three servants.
好, 我需要三名仆人
It's good to have a man of your stature here, Dan.
在这你还是需要匹配的助手的, 丹.
Sure. Sure. I was the only man in America qualified for this job.
当然了, 我是美国唯一胜任此项工作的人.
You know I wasn't the first choice, nor even the tenth.
你知道我不是首选, 也不是末选.
- You know it, I know it. - What do you mean?
- 你知道, 我知道 - 什么意思?
Let's face it. Hitler is gone, Goebbels is gone, G? ring is gone... committed suicide.
让我们来面对现实吧, 希特勒这些纳粹高官都自杀了.
Now we're down to judging the doctors, businessmen and judges.
接下来我们来审判医生、商人、法官.
- Some think they shouldn't be judged. - So?
- 还有一些觉得他们不应该受审. - 那么?
It makes for a lack of candidates for the job.
这对我是个挑战
You had to beat the backwoods of Maine to come up with a hick like me.
你必须全力面对
- I hope you're not sorry you came. - No, I'm not sorry I came.
- 我希望你没有后悔过来 - 不
I just wanted you to know I know where the body is buried.
我只是想让你知道, 我那些尸体埋在哪里.
No, I think the trials should go on.
不, 我想审判还是要继续
Especially the trials of the German judges. I hope I'm up to it.
特别是对德国法官的审判, 更是要继续, 希望我能胜任
You're up to it.
你胜任的
Well, relax. Enjoy this place while you can.
好了, 放松享受吧
- You're gonna be a pretty busy fellow. - Thanks, Senator.
- 你接下来要忙一阵了 - 谢谢, 参议员
See you tomorrow, Judge.
明天见, 法官
Shall we, uh, take these upstairs?
我们要把行李提上去吗?
Oh, yes, thank you.
哦, 好的, 谢谢
- Here, I can take that one. - No, let me take it. Please.
- 那个我可以提. - 不, 请让我来吧
Here they come.
他们来了.
The tribunal is now in session.
现在开庭.
God bless the United States and this honourable tribunal.
上帝保佑美国及其高贵的法官席.
The tribunal will now arraign the defendants.
法庭现在传讯被告.
A microphone will be placed in front of the defendant Emil Hahn.
为被告爱米尔·哈恩准备了扩音器.
Emil Hahn, are you represented by counsel before this tribunal?
爱米尔·哈恩, 你对法官席的审判有无异议?
Not guilty.
无罪.
The question was are you represented by counsel?
现在问题是你是否对控诉有辩解?
I am represented.
我有异议
How do you plead to the charges and specifications in the indictment,
你对控诉所列的内容,
guilty or not guilty?
承认有罪还是无罪?
Not guilty on all counts.
所有事项均不认罪
Friedrich Hofstetter.
弗里德·霍夫斯特.
Are you represented by counsel before this tribunal?
对控诉你是否需要辩解?
- I am represented. - How do you plead, guilty or not guilty?
- 我要辩解 - 对控诉内容, 承认有罪无罪?
Nicht schuldig.
无罪
You may be seated.
你可以坐下了
Werner Lampe.
沃纳·兰谱.
Are you represented by counsel before this tribunal?
对控诉你是否需要辩解?
Counsel?
控诉?
Yes, yes, of course, I am represented.
当然, 当然要辩解
How do you plead to the charges, guilty or not guilty?
对检查官的控诉是否认罪?
Nicht schuldig.
无罪
You may be seated.
你可以坐下了
Ernst Janning.
欧内斯特·姜宁.
Ernst Janning, are you represented by counsel before this tribunal?
欧内斯特·姜宁, 对控诉你是否需要辩解?
Ernst Janning, are you represented by counsel before this tribunal?
欧内斯特·姜宁, 对控诉你是否需要辩解?
I represent the defendant, Your Honour.
法官大人, 我为被告辩护.
How do you plead to the charges and specifications set forth in the indictment against you, guilty or not guilty?
对检查官的控诉是否认罪?
Your Honour, may I address the court?
法官大人, 我可以庭上发言吗?
The defendant does not recognise the authority of this tribunal
原告对法庭的审判权力表示怀疑
and wishes to lodge a formal protest.
为此提出异议
A plea of not guilty will be entered.
不认罪的请求将被记录
The prosecution will begin its opening address.
检查官可以进行开幕词了.
Slow and easy, Junior.
放松点.
The case is unusual, in that the defendants are charged with crimes
这件案子很特别
committed in the name of the law.
是涉及到是否对法律忠诚的案子
These men, together with their deceased or fugitive colleagues,
这些在席的被告, 同死去的他们的同僚,
are the embodiment of what passed for justice during the Third Reich.
都是所谓第三帝国（希特勒统治的德国） 正义的化身.
The defendants served as judges during the period of the Third Reich.
在第三帝国时期, 被告们担任法官.
Therefore you, Your Honours, as judges on the bench,
如同法官大人你们一样,
will be sitting in judgment of judges in the dock.
坐在法官席上.
And this is as it should be.
这本该如此.
For only a judge knows how much more a court is than a courtroom.
因为只有法官更明白法庭的意义 不只在于它是法庭.
It is a process and a spirit.
它是一种程序和精神
It is the house of law.
是法律的殿堂
The defendants knew this too. They knew courtrooms well.
被告们也都熟悉法律.
They sat in their black robes and they distorted, they perverted,
他们穿着法官袍 却扭曲了法律,
they destroyed justice and law in Germany.
毁坏了德国法律的正义.
The prosecution will please watch the light.
公诉人请留意灯.
- The interpreter cannot follow you. - I'm sorry, Your Honour.
- 翻译跟不上你的速度. - 对不起, 法官大人
They distorted, they perverted,
他们扭曲法律
they destroyed justice and law in Germany.
曲解正义.
This in itself is undoubtedly a great crime.
这无疑是重大的犯罪
But the prosecution is not calling the defendants to account
但是检查团不是要控诉被告
for violating constitutional guaranties or withholding due process of law.
藐视法律
The prosecution is calling them to account for murder,
检查团控诉被告谋杀,
brutalities,
暴行,
torture, atrocities!
拷打等残酷行为,
They share, with all the leaders of the Third Reich,
他们同第三帝国的领导者是同谋,
responsibility for the most malignant, the most calculated,
应该为所有的恶行负责,
the most devastating crimes in the history of all mankind.
对全人类负责.
They are perhaps more guilty than some of the others,
他们的罪孽比其他人可能还要重,
for they had attained maturity long before Hitler's rise to power.
因为在希特勒上台以前他们就在这样操作.
Their minds weren't warped at an early age by Nazi teachings.
他们的思想在纳粹催化前就成熟了.
They embraced the ideologies of the Third Reich as educated adults,
本该是重视正义的时候,
when they, most of all, should have valued justice.
他们却如此教育德国.
Here they'll receive the justice they denied others.
这里他们将要接受他们拒绝的正义.
They'll be judged according to the evidence presented in this courtroom.
他们将当庭根据所有证据被判决.
The prosecution asks nothing more.
公诉人发言完毕.
Herr Rolfe will make the opening statement for the defence.
罗尔福先生致开幕词
May it please the tribunal.
尊敬的法官席.
It is not only a great honour...
这是荣誉...
but also a great challenge...
也是挑战...
for an advocate to aid this tribunal in its task.
像舆论倡导的一样...
The entire civilised world will follow closely what we do here.
整个世界都在关注这次的审判
For this is not an ordinary trial,
因为这不是普通的审判,
by any means of the accepted parochial sense.
无论如何这不是一般意义的审判.
The avowed purpose of this tribunal
审判的目的
is broader than the visiting of retribution on a few men.
远非只是审理这么几个人
It is dedicated to the reconsecration of the temple of justice.
这是献身于正义的殿堂.
It is dedicated to finding a code of justice the whole world will be responsible to.
这是为了寻找全世界应该负责的正义.
How will this code be established?
这样的原则如何确立?
It will be established
这就要客观的评价
in a clear, honest evaluation of the responsibility for the crimes in the indictment stated by the prosecution.
真实准确的衡量检查官所指控的犯罪
In the words of the great American jurist Oliver Wendell Holmes,
引用美国法理学家 奥立弗·温德尔·福尔摩斯的话说,
"This responsibility will not be found only in documents that no one contests or denies."
"这种责任不仅要在表面文档查找
"it will be found in considerations of a political or social nature."
"而是要从社会的本质中探询."
"it will be found, most of all, in the character of men."
"最重要的还是要探索人性."
What is the character of Ernst Janning?
欧内斯特·姜宁的人性如何?
Let us examine his life for a moment.
让我们简略回顾他的人生吧.
He was born in 1885.
他出生于1885年
Received the degree of Doctor of Law in 1907.
在1907年获得法学博士学位.
Became a judge in East Prussia in 1914.
在1914年成为东普鲁士的一名法官.
Following World War I, he became one of the Weimar Republic leaders
在「一战」期间
and one of the framers of its democratic constitution.
他是魏玛宪法的倡导和立法者之一.
In subsequent years, he achieved international fame
接下来的数年
not only for his work as a great jurist, but also as the author of legal textbooks
他不仅以法理学家出名, 他的著作也享誉全球
which are still used in universities all over the world.
现今他的著作还在被引用.
He became Minister of Justice in Germany in 1935.
他在1935年担任德国司法部长.
If Ernst Janning is to be found guilty,
如果欧内斯特·姜宁被判有罪,
certain implications must arise.
就会发生一系列牵连.
A judge does not make the laws.
法官不是立法者.
He carries out the laws of his country.
他是为国家执行法律
The statement "My country, right or wrong"
如同这样陈述 "我的国家, 没有对与错"
was expressed by a great American patriot.
这是美国爱国诗人的语句
It is no less true for a German patriot.
对于德国的爱国者也一样适用.
Should Ernst Janning have carried out the laws of his country?
难道欧内斯特·姜宁不应该执行法律?
Or should he have refused to carry them out and become a traitor?
难道他应该做一个拒绝执法的叛国者?
This is the crux of the issue at the bottom of this trial.
这是这次审判的焦点.
The defence is as dedicated to finding responsibility
在控诉中
as is the prosecution.
被告被控诉需要负责
For it is not only Ernst Janning who is on trial here.
这已经不是审理欧内斯特·姜宁的问题了.
It is the German people.
而是对全德国人民的审判
The tribunal will recess until further notification.
现在休庭.
If it's all right with you, Byers can file these briefs later.
如果没有问题, 柏尔斯待会就会整理好文档了.
It was quite a damning speech by Colonel Lawson, wasn't it?
劳森上校的演说很糟糕不是吗?
I wonder if those men in the dock can really be responsible for the things he listed in the indictment.
我真怀疑他的控诉能否成立
I've been here two years, and after that long
我到这已经有两年多了
you find that responsibility is not a cut-and-dried thing.
你会发现责任不是事先就准备好了的.
What are you fellows up to this weekend?
周末你有什么安排?
My wife and I are going to Liége.
我和太太要去里奇
There's nothing in Liege. I've been there.
那里什么都没有啊, 我去过.
My son was in the 101 st.
我儿子的第101天忌日.
He's buried in the American cemetery outside Liege.
他葬在那里的美国公墓.
- I'm sorry. - That's all right.
- 对不起. - 没关系.
- See you Monday, Dan. - Mm.
- 星期一见, 丹. - 恩.
- Coming my way? - No, I'm staying here for a moment.
- 一起走吗? - 不, 还要等会
I'm waiting for some records from Byers.
我在等柏尔斯的记录
Right.
好
- Here are the reports you asked for, sir. - Thank you.
- 这里是你要的报告, 先生. - 谢谢
Captain, do you think you could get me a copy of the books Ernst Janning wrote?
上尉, 你可以帮我找欧内斯特·姜宁写的书吗?
- There are quite a few of them. - I'd like all of them.
- 只怕很少 - 我想都要
And also a copy of the Weimar constitution. Can you get that for me?
还有可以帮我找一份魏玛宪法的复印本吗?
- Yes, of course. - Thank you.
- 当然 -谢谢.
- How long have you been here, Captain? - Two years.
- 你到这有多久了, 上尉? - 两年
- Two years, that's a long time. - Yes, sir.
- 两年, 那算很久了 - 是
- Any friends? - Sure.
- 有朋友吗? - 当然
- German friends? - Yes.
- 德国朋友? - 是
- A girl? - Yes.
- 女孩? - 是
Her parents were Nazis, but she was eight when they came in.
她的父母是纳粹, 但她当时只有9岁
- I didn't ask you that. - Maybe you were thinking it.
- 我没有问你这个 - 或许你在这么想
It's natural to think about it.
很自然会想到的
I thought if anybody was going to indoctrinate her, it might as well be me.
我想如果有人要介绍她, 最好还是我
- Will there be anything else? - No. I think I'll take a walk around town.
- 还有事吗? - 不, 我想在镇上走走.
Try the old section for a beer and a sausage.
可以到老区喝一杯的.
Thank you.
谢谢
Nicht mehr! Nicht mehr!
不能更多了! 不能更多了!
Auf Wiedersehen, Opa.
再见, 爷爷.
- Do you understand English? - Yes, a little.
- 你懂英语吗? - 会一点
- What did she say? - She said "Goodbye, Grandpa."
- 她说什么? - 她说 "再见, 爷爷."
Vor uns liegt Deutschland,
德国在我们前面
in uns marschiert Deutschland,
我们在德国前进
und hinter uns kommt Deutschland.
德国在我们身后
- Are they treating you all right? - Yes. They are treating me all right.
- 他们对你还好吧? - 是的, 他们没有亏待我.
We still have some friends who have contact with the American authorities.
我们在美国权威机构还是有朋友的.
- I can tell them if they are not. - They're treating me all right.
- 如果他们没有你可以告诉我. - 他们没有虐待我
Doctor Janning...
姜宁博士...
we are both in an embarrassing position.
我们都处于非常尴尬的境地
I know you didn't want me as your counsel.
我知道你不希望我来做你的律师
I know you didn't want anyone.
我知道你什么都不需要
But I must tell you something. Will you listen to me?
但我想告诉你一些事情, 你要听吗?
Yes.
是
I intend to represent your case with complete dignity.
我要对你的案子提出异议
There will be no appeal to sentiment,
没有什么感情因素,
there will be no falling at the mercy of the court.
在法庭上没有同情.
The game will be played according to their own rules.
它有自己的游戏规则.
We'll see whether they have the courage to sit in judgment on a man like you.
我们到要看看他们是否有胆量审判你这样的人.
The way I see it,
在我看来
the most important elements in the case are the sterilisation decrees
案子的关键是里萨法案
and the Feldenstein-Hoffman affair.
还有费尔德斯坦? 霍夫曼的案子
Doctor Janning,
姜宁博士
I must tell you something.
我必须告诉你一些事情
I admired you since I was a boy in the university.
当我在大学时我就仰慕你
It was because I thought I might be able to achieve
那是因为我想
some of the things you have done
我也可以追求你所获得的成就
that saw me through the war.
即使在战争时期也是如此
You have been somebody to look up to for all of us.
你是我们的偶像
Is that all, Herr Rolfe?
说完了吗, 罗夫曼先生?
- Yes. - Thank you.
- 是 - 谢谢
Dr Wieck, do you know the defendant Ernst Janning?
威克博士, 你认识被告欧内斯特·姜宁吗?
Yes, I know him.
是, 我认识
Will you tell us in what capacity?
可以告诉我们如何认识的吗?
We served in the Ministry of Justice together from 1929 till 1935.
在1929到1935我们一起在司法部工作.
- Did you know him before that? - Yes. He was a law student of mine.
- 在这之前你们认识吗? - 是, 他是我的学生.
- Did you know him well? - Yes.
- 你了解他吗？ - 是
- Was he a protégé of yours? - Yes.
- 他是受你教导吗? - 是.
Why?
为什么?
He was always a man of great intelligence.
因为他是个很聪明的人.
He was a man born with the qualities of a great legal mind.
他天生有法律的头脑.
Dr Wieck, would you, uh...
威克博士...
would you tell us, from your own experience,
你能否从你的角度告诉我们,
the position of the judge in Germany prior to the advent of Adolf Hitler?
德国司法部是否受阿道夫·希特勒控制?
The position of the judge was one of complete independence.
司法部是独立的.
Mm-hm.
恩
Now would you describe the contrast, if any,
那你如何解释
after the coming to power of National Socialism in 1933?
在1933年纳粹上台以后的情况
Judges became subject to something outside of objective justice.
法官们要被迫接受一些权力的改变.
They were subject to what was necessary for the protection of the country.
他们受国家利益支配.
- Would you explain this, please? - The first consideration of the judge
-你可以解释一下吗? - 首先要替法官考虑的是
became the punishment of acts against the state, rather than objective consideration of the case.
他们没有对抗国会的权力,
And what other changes were there?
还有什么变化吗?
The right to appeal was eliminated.
上诉权也被取消了.
The Supreme Court of the Reich was replaced by peoples' and special courts.
最高法院被人民特殊法院取代了.
The concept of race was made a legal concept for the first time.
种族概念第一次写入了法律.
And what was the result of this?
结果如何?
The result?
结果?
The result was to hand over the administration of justice
结果是移交了司法部的权力
into the hands of the dictatorship.
变成了专政
- Dr Wieck... - Colonel Lawson,
- 威克博士.... - 劳森上校,
I'd like to ask a few questions.
我想问几个问题.
Did the judiciary protest these laws abridging their independence?
司法部是否有对此提出抗议?
A few of them did. Those who did resigned or were forced to resign.
有一些人提出, 其他的都顺从或被迫顺从了.
Others...
其他的...
adapted themselves to the new situation.
就直接顺应新局势了.
Do you think the judiciary was aware of the consequences to come?
司法部是否有意识到巨大的转变?
At first, perhaps not.
起初或许没有
Later it became clear to anyone who had eyes and ears.
后来只要是人就都知道了.
Thank you.
谢谢
Now, would you please describe for us the changes in criminal law.
你可否告诉我们刑法方面的修改.
Its characteristic was an ever-increasing inflation of the death penalty.
明显的特征是死刑条款增多了.
Sentences were passed against defendants
只要是波兰人或犹太人
just because they were Poles or Jews, or politically undesirable.
都要受到审判.
Novel National Socialist measures were introduced,
纳粹的衡量方法也被引进,
among them sexual sterilisation for those who were categorised as asocial.
对人种进行分类.
Was it necessary for judges to wear any distinctive mark on their robes in 1935?
在1935年法官是否需要特别标记?
The so-called "Führer's decree"
这就是所谓的 "法萨法案"
required judges to wear the insignia of the swastika on their robes.
要求法官穿上十字记号的法官袍.
- Did you wear such an insignia? - No.
- 你有佩带吗? - 不
I would have been ashamed to wear it.
我以此为耻.
- Did you resign in 1935? - Yes, sir.
- 在1935年你是否辞职? - 是
Did Ernst Janning wear a swastika on his robe?
欧内斯特·姜宁有穿上吗?
Yes.
是
That's all. Thank you.
问毕. 谢谢
Herr Rolfe.
罗尔福先生
Herr Justizrat Dr Wieck.
正义的威克博士.
You used the phrase "necessary for the protection of the country."
你刚才提到 "出于保护国家的必要."
Would you explain the conditions in Germany
你可以说明一下
at the time National Socialism came to power?
当时德国的情况吗?
What conditions?
什么情况?
Would you say there was widespread hunger?
当时有饥荒?
Yes.
是
Would you say there was internal disunity?
还有国内的不统一?
Yes.
是
- Was there a Communist Party? - Yes.
- 有共产党吗? - 是
Was it the third largest party in Germany?
是德国的第三大党吗?
Mm... yes.
是
Would you say that National Socialism helped to cure some of these conditions?
你是不是要说纳粹某种程度上拯救了国家?
Yes, but at a terrible price, and...
是, 但付出了惨重的代价...
Please, confine yourself to answering the questions only.
请你直接回答问题就可以了.
Therefore, was it not possible that a judge might wear a swastika
那么, 一个法官如果不穿那样的法官袍
and yet work for what he thought was best for his country?
他是否还有可能继续为他的国家工作?
No. It was not possible.
不, 不可能
Dr Wieck,
威克博士
you were not in the administration from the years 1935 to 1943,
据你所说,
by your own admission.
1935 到 1943 年你不在行政部门
Is it not possible that your view of the administration might be distorted?
你是否可能知道行政部门被扭曲?
No, it is not.
不
How can you testify about events in the administration if you were not there?
那你怎么可以对行政部门作证?
I had many friends in the legal administration.
在政府机构我有很多朋友
There were journals and books.
那里有期刊和书籍
From journals and books?
期刊和书籍?
I see.
我明白了
Dr Wieck, you referred to "novel National Socialist measures introduced,
你刚才提到
among them sexual sterilisation."
纳粹的衡量方法被引进
Are you aware that sexual sterilisation was not invented by National Socialism,
那你是否知道里萨法案不是纳粹原创呢,
but had been advanced for years before as a weapon
而是在数年前
in dealing with the mentally incompetent and the criminal?
针对处理不合格的囚犯制定的?
Yes, I am aware of that.
是, 我知道
Are you aware it has advocates among leading citizens in many countries?
你是否知道这在其他国家也被倡导?
I am not an expert on such laws.
我不是这方面的专家
Then permit me to read one to you.
允许我为你读一段.
This is a High Court opinion
这是最高法院意见
upholding such laws in existence in another country.
这在别国法律中存在.
And I quote:
我来引用..
"We have seen more than once that the public welfare
"我们不止一次见到社会福利
"may call upon their best citizens for their lives.
"号召生活最优越的公民.
"it would be strange indeed if it could not call upon
"如果不能号召那些
"those who already sap the strength of the state for these lesser sacrifices
"替那些低能者而为国家消耗精力的人
“让我们被不白痴淹没, 是非常奇怪的. “in order to prevent our being swamped by incompetence.
"it is better for all the world
"这样做总好过
"if, instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime
"等待已退化的后代因为犯罪而将他们处死
"or to let them starve for their imbecility,
"或者是等待他们因为愚蠢而饿死
"society can prevent their propagation by medical means in the first place.
"社会可以首先通过医学方式防止他们的繁衍
"Three generations of imbeciles are enough."
"三代的愚蠢已经足够了."
- Do you recognise it now, Dr Wieck? - No, sir, I don't.
- 现在你想起来了吗, 威克博士? - 不, 没有
Actually, there is no particular reason you should,
事实上你也不知道,
since the opinion upholds the sterilisation law in the state of Virginia,
因为这是引用自,
of the United States,
美国维吉尼亚法案
and was written by that great American jurist
美国法理学家
Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes.
奥立弗·温德尔·福尔摩斯
Now, Dr Wieck,
威克博士
in view of what you have just learned,
从刚才所听到的,
can you still say that sexual sterilisation was a "novel National Socialist measure"?
你是否还要说里萨法案是「纳粹的衡量方法」呢?
Yes, I can say it,
是, 可以这么说
because it was never before used as a weapon against political opponents.
因为这在以前从来没有对政治犯适用过.
Do you personally know of a case
你是否有过这样的经历
where someone was sterilised for political reasons?
处理这样的政治犯?
- I know that such things were done. - That's not the question.
- 我知道有这样的事情. - 这不是我的问题
Please answer the question. Do you know of a case?
请回答 你是否知道
I don't know of any specific case or specific date.
我不知道这样特种的案例
I am asking if you have any first-hand, personal knowledge of such a case!
那么你是否有相应的第一手资料!
No, I have no such personal knowledge.
不, 我没有这方面的知识
Thank you.
谢谢
Dr Wieck,
威克博士,
you are aware of the charges in the indictment against Ernst Janning?
你知道有关对欧内斯特·姜宁的控诉吧?
Yes, I am.
是
Can you honestly say he is responsible for them?
你认为他是否需要负责?
Yes, I can.
是
Do you consider yourself free of responsibility?
你认为自己没有责任?
Yes, I do.
是
Dr Wieck, did you ever swear to the Civil Servant Loyalty Oath of 1934?
你是否有在1934年的文职人员誓词中发誓?
Your Honour, I object.
法官大人, 我反对
The witness doesn't have to answer that question. He's not on trial.
证人无须回答, 他不是在受审
All Germany is on trial. This tribunal put it on trial when it indicted Ernst Janning.
全德国都在受审, 当审理欧内斯特·姜宁的时候
If responsibility is to be found, the widest latitude is to be permitted.
为了寻找责任, 需要扩大范围.
Objection overruled.
反对无效
Did you ever swear to the Civil Servant Loyalty Oath of 1934?
你是否有在1934年的文职人员誓词中发誓?
- Everyone did. - We are not interested in everyone.
- 每个人都发誓了 - 我们对每个人不感兴趣.
We are interested in what you did.
我们只在乎你做的.
Would you read the oath from the Reich Law Gazette, March 1933.
可以读一下1933年3月第三帝国的誓词吗
"I swear that I shall obey the leader of the German Reich and people, Adolf Hitler,
"我发誓效忠人民的领袖：阿道夫·希特勒,
that I shall be loyal to him, that I will observe the laws
忠诚于他, 忠诚于法律
and that I will conscientiously fulfil my duties, so help me God."
我会尽职负责, 所以上帝保佑我们."
Everyone swore to it.
每个人都发誓了
It was mandatory.
这是强制的
Yes.
是
But you're such a perceptive man, Dr Wieck. You could see what was coming.
但你是个极有远见的人.
You could see that National Socialism was leading Germany to disaster.
你应该知道纳粹党会给德国带来灾难.
"It was clear to anyone who had eyes and ears."
"是人都知道"
Didn't you realise what it would have meant
你难道不知道那意味着什么
if you, and men like you, would have refused to swear to the oath?
如果你, 还有其他人民都拒绝发誓?
It would have meant that Hitler could never have come to absolute power!
那么希特勒就没有可能掌权!
Why didn't you? Dr Wieck, why didn't you?
你为什么不这么做呢, 威克博士？
Can you give us an explanation?
你可以给我们一个解释吗?
Has it something to do with your pension?
是否这样同你的退休金有关呢?
Did it mean more to you than your country?
难道那比你的国家还重要?
Your Honour, I object to the entire line of questioning
法官大人, 我反对这一系列的提问
and ask that it be stricken from the record.
应该从记录中删除.
Prosecuting counsel's job is to find responsibility.
检查团不就是为了追究责任吗.
Your Honour, I made an objection.
法官大人, 我反对
Prosecution does not want to find responsibility?
公诉人不要追究责任?
There is responsibility for more here than swearing to a loyalty oath and you know it.
这里必要谈效忠誓言!
- There is indeed! - Order.
- 大有必要! - 安静
One thing even the German machine, with its monumental efficiency, has been unable to destroy!
有件东西甚至连超高效率的纳粹杀人机器也无法摧毁!
- Order! - All the victims!
- 安静! - 所有的受害者!
More victims than the world has ever known. They will walk in here...
全世界的受害者都知道...
Order! Order!
遵守秩序!
This tribunal will admonish both counsels. It will not tolerate this again.
法官席会听取双方意见, 但是我实在无法容忍.
We're not here to listen to such outbursts, but to serve justice.
我们不是要你们发火, 我们在寻求正义
- Your Honour, I made an objection. - The objection is overruled.
- 法官大人, 我反对. - 反对无效
The witness is excused.
证人离席
- Ever read any books by Janning? - No, I don't think so.
- 读过姜宁的书吗? - 没有.
- The Meaning of the Law. - How is it? Interesting?
- 法律的意义. - 怎么？有意思吗?
All the books by Janning are interesting.
姜宁的书都很有意思.
They're a picture of an era, its hopes, aspirations.
他反映的是一个时代的激情和希望
They weren't very different from ours.
和我们没有太大区别
Listen to this, on the signing of the Weimar constitution.
听这段评价魏玛宪法的
"Now we can look forward to a Germany without guns and bloodshed."
"现在我们可以展望没有战火的德国"
"A Germany of justice, where men can live instead of die."
"一个人们可以不用死亡的正义的德国"
"A Germany of purpose, of freedom, of humanity."
"一个有理想、自由和人性的德国"
"A Germany that calls for the best in man."
“一个召唤人类最美好的品质的德国“
How could a man who wrote words like these
能写出这样的书的人
be part of sterilisations and murders? How could he be?
他怎么可能会是杀人犯呢?
Dan, there are a lot of things that happened here that nobody understands.
丹, 这里发生的很多事情都让人不明白的.
I know.
我知道
But the prosecution is going to have to prove every inch of its allegation
但是检查团还是要证明他们的控诉的
against a man like Janning if I'm to pronounce sentence on him.
我也还是要对他做出宣判
Gentlemen, I'm on my way.
先生们, 我要走了
- Coming, Ken? - Right.
- 走吗, 肯? - 好
There's just this business on the curtailment of rights.
这是权利限制的问题
Tomorrow.
明天
Dan, my wife is planning a get-together tomorrow at the Grand Hotel.
丹, 我太太要办个聚会.
- She wants you to come. - All right. Thank you.
- 她希望你能来. - 好的, 谢谢
And she'd like to provide you with some kind of female companionship.
她还想给你介绍女伴呢
She thought you might be lonely here.
她觉得你可能太孤单了
No, thanks, Curtiss. Thanks very much.
不, 谢谢
You know how these wives love to play Cupid.
你知道太太们总喜欢给人配对
- I think I'll keep it stag. - All right.
- 我想最好还是单身 - 好的
- How about you, Ken? - Thanks. My wife and I are busy.
- 你怎么样, 肯? - 谢谢, 我和太太已经够忙了
- Good night. - Good night, Dan.
- 晚安 - 晚安, 丹.
Mrs Halbestadt, could I...
海尔柏斯德夫人, 我能不能...
Hello.
你好
Hello.
你好
Your Honour, this is Madame Bertholt.
法官大人, 这是柏斯特夫人
This is His Honour, Judge Haywood.
这是海伍德法官
Madame Bertholt, this is her house.
柏斯特夫人, 这是她的房子
She came to get some of her belongings from the basement.
她是来地下室拿些东西.
- I didn't know she was coming tonight. - It's my responsibility, Mrs Halbestadt.
- 我不知道她今晚会来. - 这是我该做的.
I've stored some of my things here until I could get a room large enough for them.
我在没有找到大房子以前把东西放这了.
- I hope you don't mind. - No. Not at all.
- 我希望你不要介意 - 不, 一点也不
You can examine what I have here if you like.
要是你愿意, 你可以检查一下
- Of course not. - Then I'll just take these out.
- 当然不用 - 那我取走了
- Thank you, Mrs Halbestadt. - Let me help you.
- 谢谢 - 让我来帮你
- I can manage. - I'll just take it outside. Please.
- 我可以的 - 我只是要拿出去
Good night.
晚安
It's heavy. It's full of books and pictures that mean nothing to anyone but me.
很重吧, 都是些无关紧要的书和图画, 但对我很重要.
- Mr Schmidt! - Your Honour.
- 歇米特先生 - 法官大人
- Would you drive Mrs Bertholt home? - Yes, Your Honour.
- 可以载柏斯特夫人回家吗? - 是的, 法官大人
- I hope you're comfortable here. - Yes, I am. Very.
- 我希望你在这过的愉快. - 是, 非常愉快
My favourite spot was always the garden.
我最喜欢的地方还是花园
Remind Mr Halbestadt to take good care of the rock garden.
提醒海尔柏斯德夫人照看好假山花园.
You'll get a great deal of pleasure out of it in summer.
在夏天你会获得很多乐趣的.
I'll sit in front, thank you.
我坐在前面, 谢谢
- Good night. - Good night.
- 晚安 - 晚安
- Karolinenstrasse 115. - Yes, madam.
- 开罗街 1 1 5. - 是, 夫人
Sit down, sit down.
坐下, 坐下
Mrs Halbestadt, you worked for Mrs Bertholt, didn't you?
海尔柏斯德夫人, 你为柏斯德夫人工作不是吗?
- Yes, Your Honour. - How long did she live here?
- 是的, 法官大人 - 她住在这多久了?
Madame Bertholt?
柏斯德夫人?
Oh, Madame Bertholt and her family have lived here for many generations.
噢, 她们世代都住在这里.
Thank you.
谢谢
Your Honour, you came in here for something?
法官大人, 你来有什么事情?
Oh! Oh, yeah.
是
I'm just going to make myself a sandwich.
我想做一份三明治.
We will make it. We will make you anything you want.
我们来做吧, 做任何你想要的.
No, it's nothing. I always did it for myself back home.
不, 小事 我总是回家后自己动手做.
What would you like? I have some ham and cheese and liverwurst.
你想要什么口味的? 我有火腿、奶酪等.
Cheese will be fine.
奶酪好了
That's very kind of you.
你真是太好了
Mr Halbestadt, what was it like, living under National Socialism?
海尔柏斯德先生, 生活在纳粹之下是怎么样种感觉呢?
- What was it like? - Yes. I mean, uh... day-to-day?
- 什么感觉? - 对, 我是说：天天都要面对?
I know many people at home like you.
我知道很多像你们这样的人.
You're good people. I believe that.
我相信你们是好人
What was it like for you, living under Hitler?
那么生活在希特勒统治下是什么感觉呢?
We were not political. Mr Halbestadt and I are not political.
我和我丈夫都不是政治分子.
- Ein Glas fur die Milch, bitte. - Ja.
- 拿个杯子来装牛奶 - 好的
No, but you must have been aware of some of the events that were going on.
不, 但你们一定清楚当时发生了什么事情.
Many things were going on, Mr Halbestadt.
很多事情都在发生
There were parades.
有游行
Hitler and Goebbels came here every year.
希特勒每年都会参加的
What was it like?
场面如何呢?
We never attended meetings. Never.
我们从来没有参加集会
I'm not trying to put you on trial. I'm just, uh...
我不是要审判你们 我只是...
I'm just curious. I'd like to know.
我只是好奇, 想知道而已.
- Here's your sandwich, Your Honour. - Thank you.
- 法官大人, 你的三明治. - 谢谢
You're welcome.
别客气
Thank you.
谢谢
For instance, there was a place called Dachau not too many miles from here.
比方说, 这附近有个地方叫达靠的.
Did you ever know what was going on there?
你们知道那里发生了什么吗?
We knew nothing about it. Nothing about it.
我们什么都不知道.
How can you ask if we know anything about that?
你怎么可以问我们是否知道呢?
I'm sorry.
对不起
Your Honour, we are only little people.
法官大人, 我们只是小人物.
We lost a son in the army
我们在军队里散失了儿子
and our daughter in the bombing.
女儿也被炸死了
During the war we almost starved.
战争时我们几乎饿死了.
It was terrible for us.
对我们来说很可怕.
I'm sure it was.
我相信也是如此
Hitler... Hitler did some good things.
希特勒... 希特勒也做了一些好事.
I won't say he didn't do some good things.
我不会说他没有做什么好事.
He built the autobahn. He gave more people work.
他建造了告诉公路, 给了更多人就业机会.
We won't say he didn't do some good things.
我不会说他没有做什么好事.
But the other things...
但其他的事情...
The things they say he did to the Jews and the rest, we knew nothing about that.
别人说的他对犹太人还有其他人做了什么, 我们都不知道.
Very few Germans did.
很少德国人知道.
And if we did know...
如果我们知道...
what could we do?
我们能做什么呢?
But Mrs Halbestadt said you didn't know.
但你夫人说你什么都不知道
Mrs Bertholt, how did she react to all this?
柏斯德夫人对此有什么反映吗?
Ah, Madame Bertholt is a very fine woman, Your Honour.
柏斯德夫人是很好的人.
I'm sure she is. What about her husband?
我相信如此, 那她丈夫呢?
He was in the army.
他是军人
What happened to him?
他发生了什么事情?
He was one of the defendants in the Malmedy case.
他是麦尔迪一案中的被告.
General Bertholt. Karl Bertholt.
柏斯德将军. 卡尔·柏斯德.
He was executed, Your Honour.
他被处死刑了, 法官大人.
Yes, I know that.
是, 我知道
The document then states that the photographer Rudolf Lenz
接下来是摄影师鲁道夫·楞次的数据
is requested to present himself within two weeks
他被要求在两星期内
at one of the hospitals mentioned below for "medical treatment".
到医院接受「治疗」
Next, prosecution presents affidavit document no.488,
接下来公诉人还会提供 宣誓证书488#,
which concerns the seamstress Anni Münch.
同女裁缝安尼相关
Document reads as follows:
文档内容如下:
"District court Frankfurt am Main has decided the following:
"地方法院富兰克林做出如下决定:
the seamstress Anni Münch, daughter of Wilhelm Münch, is to be sterilised."
女裁缝安尼有恶疾."
"She is requested to present herself within two weeks
"她被要求在两星期内
at one of the hospitals mentioned below."
到以下指定医院接受治疗."
"if she does not take herself voluntarily, she will be taken by force."
"如果她不愿前往, 将强制执行."
Next, document no.449, interrogatories in the German and English text,
接下来文件449#,
concerning the farmer's helper Meyer Eichinger.
是农场帮工沫尔的资料.
- Your Honour. - What?
- 法官大人 - 什么?
Defence objects to introduction of these repetitive documents.
被告对这些反复性的证据材料表示反对.
According to the ruling of the first tribunal,
根据初审的决议,
such documents are not even admissible
这些材料都是不可接纳的
unless supported by independent evidence of their authenticity.
除非有独立的证据证明它们的真实性.
Objection sustained.
反对有效.
Your Honour, may I ask the defence a question?
法官大人, 可以问被告一个问题吗?
Yes.
是
Would evidence on sterilisation be admissible if there were a witness?
如果有证人的话证据是否成立呢?
- Yes. - Thank you.
- 是 - 谢谢.
Prosecution calls the witness Rudolf Petersen.
公诉人传召证人鲁道夫·皮特森出庭作证
Will you raise your right hand?
请举右手?
I swear by God the Almighty and Omniscient
我向全能的主宣誓
that I will speak the pure truth and withhold and add nothing.
我会说出事实的真相, 毫无虚假.
Yes, I do.
是, 我会
Will you please tell the court your full name and place of residence.
你可否告诉法庭你的全名以及住所.
Rudolf Petersen. Frankfurt am Main. Gretweg, Nummer sieben.
鲁道夫·皮特森 法兰克福 格兰特街 7号
When were you born, Mr Petersen?
你何时出生, 皮特森?
May 20, 1914.
1914年05月20日.
And what is your occupation?
你的职业是?
Baker's helper. I'm a baker's helper.
面包师的帮手
Are your parents living?
你父母还在世吗?
No.
不
What were the causes of their deaths?
他们的死因是什么?
Mr Petersen, did they die of natural causes?
皮特森先生, 他们是自然死亡吗?
Ja, ja. Ja. Natural.
是, 是, 自然死亡.
Now, Mr Petersen, what political party did your father belong to?
你父亲是属于什么政党?
Communist. The Communist Party.
共产党.
Now, think back.
现在想想
Do you remember anything unusual that happened to you and your family in 1933,
记得在1933年纳粹上台以前
before the Nazis came to power?
发生了什么不寻常的事情吗?
I mean anything of a violent nature.
我是说暴力的行为.
Ja, ja.
是
- How old were you at the time? - 19.
- 你当时几岁? - 1 9.
Would you please tell the court what happened?
你可以告诉法庭当时的情况吗?
Uh... some...
噢, 一些……
Some SA men broke into the house, our house,
一些冲锋队（Sturmabteilung）闯入了我们的房子
and they broke the windows and the door.
砸坏了窗户和门.
They called us traitors
他们说我们是叛国者
and they tried to... to beat up my father.
他们还想打我的父亲.
And what happened then?
接下来如何?
My brothers and I, we went to help him.
我和兄弟就去帮忙
And there was a fight.
然后就有一场打斗
Finally we got them outside in the street
最后我们把他们赶到了街上
and we beat them up,
我们痛扁了他们一顿,
and turned them over to the police.
然后扭送他们到警察局.
- Did the police do anything about it? - No.
- 警察有采取什么行动吗? - 没有
Why not?
为什么不?
It was then at the time of the national elections.
当时正是国家大选.
- The National Socialists came to power? - Ja.
- 纳粹党当权了吗? - 是
Now, Mr Petersen,
听着, 皮特森先生
what happened after 1933, after the Nazis came to power?
在1933年纳粹上台以后又发生了什么事情?
I got a job on a farm,
我在农场找到了一份工作,
but for the work, to drive a truck it was necessary.
为了工作, 驾驶卡车是必要的.
I went to the city building to apply for a license.
我到了市府办理证件.
And what happened there?
然后又怎么了?
They took me to an official.
他们带我见一名官员.
Did you ever have any dealings with this official before?
你以前在那里办过手续吗?
He was one of the men who broke into our house that night.
他就是那天晚上和我们打架的人之一.
What did he say to your application?
对于你的申请他说什么?
He said an examination there would have to be.
他说需要一份检查.
Where was the examination to take place?
到哪里检查?
In the district court of Stuttgart.
在斯图加特地方法院.
Who was the presiding justice in the court?
谁是主审法官?
Justice Hofstetter.
霍夫斯特法官.
Now, what happened in the courtroom?
庭上发生了什么情况?
They asked me my full name and so forth.
他们问我的全名之类.
What else did they ask you?
他们还问你什么?
They asked me when Adolf Hitler and Dr Goebbels were born.
他们问我希特勒什么时候出生的.
What did you reply?
你怎么回答?
I told them I didn't know, and also that I didn't care.
我说我不知道, 也不在乎.
Did they ask you any more questions?
他们还有问你问题吗?
No. They told me that I would be hearing from them in ten days.
不, 他们告诉我十天内会有消息.
I see.
我明白了
Mr Petersen,
皮特森先生
I'd like you to look at something.
我想让你看些东西
- Do you recognise it? - Ja.
- 记得吗? - 是
Would you please read it for the tribunal?
你可以当庭读出来吗?
"District court of Stuttgart."
"斯图加特地方法院."
"The baker Rudolf Petersen, born May 20th 1914,
"面包师鲁道夫·皮特森, 出生于1914年05月20日,
son of railway employee Hans Petersen,
铁路职工汉斯·皮特森之子,
is to be sterilised."
被判种族低劣."
Would you read the last paragraph?
能否请你读最后一段?
"It is therefore requested he present himself within two weeks
"因此建议他在两周内
to one of the hospitals mentioned below."
到以下指定医院接受治疗"
"if he does not betake himself voluntarily,
"如果他不自愿前往,
he will be taken by force."
他将被强制执行."
Now please read the signature at the bottom.
现在请念出底下的签名.
"Presiding Justice Hofstetter."
"主审法官霍夫斯特."
Would you read what is written below the signature?
再读下面的签名?
- Below? - Below.
- 下面? - 下面.
"By authority of Ernst Janning,
"权威认证：欧内斯特·姜宁,
Minister of Justice."
司法部长."
Your Honour,
法官大人,
may the defence see the file of Mr Petersen?
被告可以看皮特森的文件数据吗?
What did you do after you received the letter, Mr Petersen?
你收到裁决书后如何?
I ran away. I stayed at the farm of a friend I have.
我逃跑了, 躲在一个农场朋友的家里.
And did you return?
你回来了吗?
- Did I what? - Did you return?
- 我怎么? - 你回去了吗?
Yes.
是
And what happened then?
又发生了什么?
The police came. The police came.
警察来了.
- Where did they take you? - To the hospital.
- 他们把你带去哪里? - 医院
Mr Petersen. Excuse me, I wonder if you could speak a little louder, please.
皮特森先生, 能否请你发言大声点.
To the hospital.
去医院
- What happened at the hospital? - They kept me there.
- 医院里发生了什么? - 他们把我关在那.
The nurse who was...
护士...
Well, she came in anyway.
最后还是进来了.
She was to prepare me for the operation.
她为我准备手术.
And she said she thought the whole thing was terrible.
她说整件事情都很可怕.
And then the doctor came in, who was supposed to do the...
然后医生就进来了, 准备...
and he said he thought it was awful.
他说也觉得很恶心
Were you in fact sterilised?
你是否劣等种族?
Thank you very much, Mr Petersen.
谢谢, 皮特森先生.
That's all.
问毕
Herr Rolfe.
罗尔福发言.
Mr Petersen,
皮特森先生
you may take your earphones off now, if you want to.
如果你愿意, 你现在可以取下耳机.
Mr Petersen, you say you work as a baker's helper? Is that correct?
你说你是面包师贝克的助手?
Yes, that is right.
是, 没错
What other occupations have you held?
你还有其他什么职业?
I have worked for my father.
我为父亲工作
- What did your father do? - He was a railroad worker.
- 你父亲职业? - 铁路职工.
Yes, but what did he do?
是, 他具体工作是什么?
He would raise and lower the barrier at the crossing for traffic.
他负责十字路口栅栏的升降.
And you spoke about your brothers.
你也提到了你的兄弟
- How many brothers do you have? - Five.
- 你有多少个兄弟? - 五个
- And sisters? - Four.
- 姐妹呢? - 四个
- Then you are a family of ten? - Yes.
- 就是说十口之家了? -是
What occupations do your brothers have?
你兄弟的职业?
Labourers.
劳工
All labourers?
都是劳工?
I see.
我知道了
Mr Petersen, you said the court at Stuttgart asked you two questions,
你说斯图加特法院问了你两个问题,
the birth dates of Hitler and Dr Goebbels.
希特勒的生日.
- Is that correct? - Yes. Correct.
- 对吗? - 没错
What else did they ask you?
他们还问你什么?
Uh...
恩
Nothing else.
没有了.
Are you sure?
你确定?
Are you sure there were no questions about your schooling?
你确定没有问到你学业的问题?
Objection!
反对!
The witness has already answered that question.
证人早已回答问题了.
Objection sustained.
反对有效
May I ask you, Mr Petersen...
我可以问你吗, 皮特森...
may I ask you...
我可以问你...
how long did you attend school?
你读了几年书?
- Six years. - Six years. Why not longer?
- 六年 - 六年, 为什么不久些?
I had to go to work.
我必须工作
Would you consider yourself a very bright fellow at school?
你觉得自己在学校是否很聪明?
School? It was...
学校? 说起来...
It was a long while ago. I don't...
这已经是很久远的事了, 我...
Perhaps you were not able to keep up with the others
或许是因为你跟不上其他孩子
and that's why you did not continue?
所以你辍学了?
Objection, Your Honour.
反对, 法官大人
The witness' school record has no bearing on what happened to him.
证人的学业同发生在他身上的事情无关
It was the task of the health court to sterilise the mentally incompetent.
健康法院的职责就是检场智力.
Objection overruled.
反对无效.
Were you able or were you not able to keep up with the others?
你是否能够跟上其他人的学习进度?
I would like to refer to the efficiency report from the school about Mr Petersen.
我不得不提到学校有关皮特森学习效率的报告.
He failed to be promoted and was placed in a class of backward children.
他无法进步, 只好分配到了后进班.
You say your parents died of natural causes.
你说你父母死于自然.
Yes.
是
Would you describe in detail the illness your mother died of?
你能否仔细描述你母亲死于什么疾病?
She died of her heart.
她死于心脏病
In the last stages of her illness, did your mother show any...
在她临时的阶段...
mental peculiarities?
她是否精神方面有异常?
Mental... No. No.
精神... 不, 不
In the decision that came from Stuttgart,
从斯图加特来的报告显示,
it is stated that your mother suffered from hereditary feeble-mindedness.
你母亲承袭了遗传的低能症.
That is not... That is not true.
这不是……不是真的.
Not true, not true.
不是真的, 不是
Can you give us some clarification as to how
你是否可以澄清
the Hereditary Health Court in Stuttgart arrived at that decision?
为什么斯图加特法院会做出那样的决定?
It was just something they said to put me on the operating table.
这只是他们自己捏造的理由, 将我送上了手术台.
- It was just something they said? - Yes!
- 只是他们捏造的? - 是!
Mr Petersen, there was a simple test that the Health Court used to ask
在健康法院的检查中
in all cases of mental incompetence.
有一个常用的检查智力发育完整与否的测验
Since you say they did not ask you then,
既然你说他们没有问,
perhaps you can answer it for us now?
或许现在你可以回答了?
Form a sentence out of the words "hare", "hunter", "field".
从一组词中 "hare", "hunter", "field".
Your Honour! Objection!
法官大人, 反对
Mr Petersen,
皮特森先生
was the court in Stuttgart constituted like this one?
斯图加特法院当时是否有这样的做法?
I don't understand what...
我不明白...
Was there an audience?
当时有听众吗?
An audience? Yes, yes.
听众? 是的
Thank you.
谢谢
Objection overruled.
反对无效
Hare, hunter, field, Mr Petersen.
Hare, hunter, field, 皮特森先生.
Take your time.
慢慢来.
Hare, hunter, field. Uh...
Hare, hunter, field. 恩...
Hare,
hunter...
They had already made up...
他们早已...
When I walked into the court, they had made up their minds.
当我进入法庭时, 他们早已拿定主意.
They had made up their minds!
他们早已拿定主意!
They put me in the hospital, like a criminal.
他们像对待囚犯一样把我送到医院.
I could not say anything, I could not do anything. I...
我什么都不好说. 我...
I had to lie there.
我只好在那撒谎.
My... my mother...
我... 我的母亲...
what you say about her.
你说她什么.
She was a woman, a servant woman, who worked hard.
她是个女人, 一个勤劳工作的女仆
She was a hardworking woman.
她是个努力工作的人.
And it is not fair... not fair... what you say.
你说的一切, 很不公平.
I have it here.
我有
I want to show you. I have here her picture.
我给你们看她的照片
I would like you looked at it.
我想让你们看看
I would like you to judge.
我想让你们来评判
I want that you tell me,
我想要你告诉我
was she feeble-minded?
她是低能的吗?
My mother!
我的母亲!
Was she feeble-minded?
她是低能的吗?
Was she?
她是吗?
I feel it is my duty to point out to the tribunal
我觉得我有必要向法庭指出
that the witness is not in control of his mental processes.
证人现在情绪失控.
I know I'm not.
我知道我没有
Since that day,
从那天开始,
I've been half I've ever been.
我就变成原来的一半.
The tribunal does not know how you were before.
法庭并不知道你当时如何.
It can never know. It has only your word.
这永远也不可能知道, 现在只有你的证词.
Court is adjourned.
现在休庭.
That's one problem we have with the prosecution...
检查团真是让人头疼 -
it's filled with young radicals like Lawson.
里面总是有像劳森这样的激进分子.
Is that what Lawson is? A young radical?
劳森是这样的吗? 激进分子?
Well, he was a personal protégé of FDR.
当然, 他是富兰克林·罗斯福的培养人之一.
FDR had a few friends who weren't radicals, didn't he?
罗斯福也有些非激进的吧, 不是吗?
Name one.
说一个.
- Wendell Wilkie. - Wilkie.
- 温德尔·威尔忌. - 威尔忌.
Is he your idea of a conservative?
他是你心中理想的保守派?
As a matter of fact, Dan, I've been wondering how you stand?
事实上, 丹, 我真的不知道你的立场如何?
I'll clarify that for you, Curtiss. I'm a rock-ribbed Republican
那我现在就说明, 我是忠实的共和党派
who thought that Franklin Roosevelt was a great man.
觉得富兰克林·罗斯福是个伟人.
Oh. One of those.
哦, 这样
Max!
麦克斯!
- Max Perkins. Do you know him? - I don't think so.
- 你认识他吗? - 不认识
He's with the United Press.
他是联合出版社的
- Max, what are you doing here? - I thought you might kick up a row.
- 麦克斯, 你在这干吗? - 我以为你又要起哄了.
I haven't had that much to drink.
我可没有喝那么多
- Oh, I'm sorry. This is Judge Ives. - Hello.
- 哦, 对不起, 这是艾夫斯法官 - 你好
- Mrs Ives. - How do you do?
- 艾夫斯夫人. - 你好?
- How do you do? - Judge Haywood, Mrs Bertholt.
- 你好. - 海伍德法官, 柏斯德夫人.
- We have met. - Yes, we have.
- 我们见过面了. - 是
- Won't you join us for a drink? - We would like to very much.
- 为什么不一起来喝一杯呢? - 非常乐意.
- Max, will you sit here? - Thank you.
- 麦克斯, 你坐这好了? - 谢谢
Incidentally, Max, I admired your article on Mrs Bertholt very much.
对了, 麦克斯, 我特别喜欢你写的有关柏斯德夫人的文章.
It was straight reporting. Her defence of her husband was quite eloquent.
那是直接报道, 柏斯德为她丈夫的辩护很精彩.
Are you going to do a story on these trials?
你是否要对这些审判做报道?
I'll tell you something frankly, Judge.
说实话吧, 法官.
At the moment I couldn't give a story away on the Nuremberg trials.
我现在不能报道纽伦堡的案子.
- What do you mean, Mr Perkins? - The American public isn't interested.
- 什么意思? - 美国报社不感兴趣.
The war's only been over two years, Mr Perkins.
战争才两年时间.
That's right.
对
- May I take your order? - Yes. See what the ladies will have.
- 可以点酒了吗? - 看看我们还需要什么.
- How about some more beer, Dan? - No, I think I've had my fill of beer.
- 丹, 再来点啤酒怎么样? - 不, 啤酒我喝够了.
I'd like to try something else, if I may.
如果可以, 我想试试别的.
Why don't you try some Sonnenberg or Schwalbenwinkel? It's the local wine.
为什么不尝尝苏格拉冰呢? 这是当地的酒
- Sonnenberg or...? - Schwalbenwinkel.
- 苏格拉冰? - 苏格拉冰.
Yes, I think I'd like that. Some Schwalbenwinkel.
是的, 我想要点苏格拉冰.
- Will you have some? - Yes, thank you.
- 你要吗? - 是的, 谢谢
- Shall we stay with the beer, Max? - Fine.
- 我们还是要啤酒吗, 麦克斯? - 好
Thank you.
谢谢
- You got home all right the other night? - Yes, thank you.
- 那晚你顺利回去了吧? - 是的, 谢谢
I don't know what I would have done without the car.
我真不知道没有车我该怎么办.
You speak English very well, Mrs Bertholt.
柏斯德夫人, 你的英语讲的真好.
Thank you.
谢谢
My husband and I spent two years in America.
我和丈夫在美国待了两年
I hope you've had a chance to see something of Nuremberg.
我希望你有空可以参观一下纽伦堡.
I'm afraid mainly the road between my house and the Palace of Justice.
我想那可能会影响法官的公正.
And then some places that have to do with the case, historical aspects.
或许有些地方, 从历史学的角度来看对案件有帮助.
The Nazi aspects. You should see some of the other parts of Nuremberg.
从纳粹角度, 你应该从另一个角度看纽伦堡.
There are many beautiful things to see in the old part of town,
在旧城区有很多好看的,
museums we're trying to rebuild.
比如重建的博物馆.
And there's a concert, a piano concert, next week at the old opera house.
还有在老歌剧院的钢琴音乐会.
Arthur Reiss. He was a refugee from Hitler in the early days.
阿瑟? 里斯. 他早前为希特勒演出
We've persuaded him to come back. It ought to be quite an evening.
我们劝服他回来 我想今晚会很精彩.
- Would you like to come? - Yes, I would.
- 你会来吗? - 是, 我会
I'll have them leave a ticket for you at the box office. I'm on the committee.
我会让票房给你留张票的, 我是在委员会的.
- Thank you very much, Mrs Bertholt. - It's nothing.
- 非常感谢, 柏斯德夫人. - 没什么
I have a mission with the Americans, as Mr Perkins can tell you.
我同美国有个协议 麦克斯可以告诉你.
Oh? What is that?
哦, 什么?
To convince you that we're not all monsters.
使你相信我们并不都是怪物.
- Good evening, Colonel. - Colonel, Major Radnitz.
晚上好, 上校.
Good evening, Mrs Bertholt.
晚上好, 柏斯德夫人.
- I hope you'll excuse me. - You've just come.
- 我希望你原谅. - 可你才来.
No, I must go. Please excuse me.
不, 我必须走了 请见谅.
It was awfully nice meeting you.
真是非常愉快的碰面.
There will be a concert ticket for you at the box office.
我会在票房给你留票的.
Thank you.
谢谢
- Good night. - Good night.
- 晚安 - 晚安
- Good night. - Good night, Mrs Bertholt.
- 晚安 -晚安, 柏斯德夫人.
Huh.
Mrs Bertholt doesn't hold a burning passion for me.
柏斯德夫人对我恨之入骨啊.
I prosecuted her husband.
我控诉了她丈夫
Many people think a death sentence would not have been passed
今天看来
against General Bertholt today.
很多人觉得柏斯德将军审判是不会通过死刑的
I'm sure they do.
我知道.
I'm sure there are people who think
我也知道今天在纽伦堡
all the prisoners in Nuremberg should be free today.
他们觉得在席的被告都会无罪
All of them! Let's...
所有人!
Excuse me.
对不起
I've had, uh...
我...
I've had one or two too many, as might be painfully obvious to you gentlemen.
我想我喝太多了, 所以失礼了.
The spectacle this afternoon with Mr Petersen put me off my feed. I'm sorry.
今天下午的展览会让我迟到了.
Three beers and Schwalbenwinkel, please.
酒来了.
Prosit. Prosit.
祝健康 干杯
- Schwalbenwinkel. - Schwalbenwinkel.
- 苏格兰冰 - 苏格兰冰
Yes, it's good beer. They make it good in this country.
啤酒不错, 他们的手艺真的不错.
You know...
你知道...
You know, there's one thing about Americans.
你知道美国人.
We're not cut out to be occupiers.
我们并不是占领者.
We're new at it and we're not very good at it.
我们对这里还很不熟悉.
We come over here, and what do we see?
我们来到这里, 看到了什么呢?
We see this beautiful country.
我们见到了这个美丽的国家.
It is beautiful. It's very beautiful.
非常美丽
We see the culture that goes back for hundreds of years.
我们看到了几百年前的文化.
We see its gemütlich charm,
我们见到了亲善的魅力
and the charm of people like, uh... Mrs Bertholt.
再如柏斯德夫人这样的美人.
We got a built-in inferiority complex.
我们有一定的自卑情绪.
We forgive and forget easy.
我们很善忘和宽恕.
We give the other guy the benefit of the doubt... that's the American way.
我们给予另一个值得怀疑的人利益. 这是美国作风
We beat the greatest war machine since Alexander the Great
我们击败了战争机器（德国）
and now the boy scouts take over.
现在已经控制了它.
The trouble with you, Colonel, is you'd like to indict the whole country.
上校, 你的问题是, 你要控诉整个国家.
That might be emotionally satisfying to you,
那或许可以让你情绪上得到满足,
but it wouldn't be exactly practical, and hardly fair.
但这不实际, 也不公平.
Hardly fair?
几乎不公平?
"Hare",
"Hare"（野兔）,
"hunter",
"hunter"（猎人）,
"field".
"field"（原野）.
That's right, let's be fair.
好的, 让我们公平点.
The hare was shot by the hunter in the field.
野兔在原野上被猎人捕获.
It's really quite simple.
真的很简单.
Uh...
恩...
Colonel, I think we ought to be going.
上校, 我想我们该走了.
Yes. We shouldn't be discussing this.
是的, 我们不该讨论这个.
Oh, no, Judge we're fair Americans, and true blue.
不, 法官 我们是公平的美国人
We mustn't do anything that's out of order.
我们不会违反秩序的.
We can't do anything that's out of order.
我们不能做违反秩序的事情.
There are no Nazis in Germany. Didn't you know that, Judge?
难道你不知道在德国没有纳粹吗, 法官?
The Eskimos invaded Germany and took over.
爱斯基摩人侵略了德国.
That's how all those terrible things happened.
所以发生了这么多可怕的事情.
It wasn't the fault of the Germans, it was the fault of those damn Eskimos!
这不是德国人的错, 都是该死的爱斯基摩人的错!
Excuse me. Excuse me.
对不起, 对不起
- Good night, Colonel. - Good night.
- 晚安, 上校. - 晚安
Can I have your attention? Sorry to interrupt your dancing.
大家听我说 抱歉打扰大家跳舞.
The following officers are requested to report to their units.
以下官员马上向原单位报告.
Major McCarthy, Major Citron, Major Cantor,
麦卡犀少校, 卡腾少校,
Captain Byers, Captain Connell,
柏尔斯少尉, 康氖尔少尉,
Captain Douglas, Captain Wolfe, Major Booth and Major Rice.
道古拉斯少尉, 赖斯少校
Thank you. You can continue dancing.
谢谢, 你们可以继续了
- Harry! What is it? - The Russians are in Czechoslovakia.
- 哈里, 什么事情? - 俄军在捷克斯洛伐克.
Masaryk may have committed suicide. We're sending some units over.
我们要派遣部队过去.
What do you think will happen?
你猜会怎么样?
I don't know, sir.
我不知道
Oh, Judge Haywood.
海伍德法官
Elsa Scheffler.
艾乐·歇伏
Guten Abend.
晚上好
Guten Abend.
晚上好
"President Truman responded by calling for an extension of military training."
"杜鲁门总统对延长军事训练做出反映."
"He stated that he is deeply concerned with the survival of the Western nations
"他深深感觉到西方国家的独立
in face of the threat from the east."
面临着来自东方的威胁."
"Threat from the east."
"东方的威胁."
Herr Janning, did you hear what is in the paper?
姜宁先生, 你听到新闻了吗?
Exactly what Hitler said: "The clash for survival between east and west."
正同希特勒所说一样: "西方和东方生存的冲突（两大阵营）."
Ah, he knew. He knew!
他早就预料了!
They'll see that we knew exactly what we were doing all the time.
他们会明白我们为什么一直这么做.
They cannot call us criminals and at the same time ask us to help them.
他们不能再把我们做囚犯, 而要求我们来帮助.
We must stand together now. The most crucial part of this case is coming up.
我们必须团结, 关键时刻来了.
We have fallen on happy times, Herr Hahn.
爱米尔·哈恩, 我们的快乐时光已经结束了.
In the old times it would have made your day if I deigned to say "Good morning" to you.
在以前我说一声“早上好”都会让你高兴半天
Now that we are here in this place together,
现在我们都身处牢狱
you feel obliged to tell me what to do with my life.
你也不用多说什么了.
Herr Janning, you must stand with us.
姜宁先生, 你必须同我们同一阵线.
It is not good for Germans to turn on one another. We have a common ground now.
德国人不好内讧的, 我们有共同的目标
Listen to me, Herr Hahn.
听着
Terrible things have happened to me in my life.
可怕的事情已经发生在我身上了.
But the worst thing that has ever happened
但最糟糕的事情就是
is to find myself in the company of men like you.
我发现与你们这样的人一起.
I have nothing in common with you and the party hacks.
我同你们以及你们的政党都没有关系.
You have something in common... you were part of the same regime.
你和我们有共同点, 我们都是在同一政体下.
You stood by that regime, like the rest of us.
你像我们一样.
And there is something else you have in common:
还有一点:
you are a German.
你也是德国人
- Good evening. Did you like it? - Yes, I did. Very much indeed.
- 晚上好, 你喜欢吗? - 是的, 非常喜欢
- Can I drop you? - I only live a few blocks from here.
- 我载你吗? - 我就住附近.
I was going to walk. Would you like to go for a walk?
我走过去就行了. 要一起散步吗?
Yes. Yes, I would.
好的
I won't need the car now. I'll walk with Mrs Bertholt.
我不用车了, 我同柏斯德夫人散步.
- Shall I wait for you? - No, no.
- 我要等你吗? - 不, 不
I'll wait for you, Your Honour.
法官大人, 我会等你.
Vor einem großen Tor
Steht' ne Laterne
Und steht sie noch davor
Da wollen wir uns wiederseh'n
Bei der Laterne woll'n wir steh'n
Wie einst Lili Marleen
Wie einst...
The German people love to sing, no matter what the situation.
不管情况如何, 德国人总爱唱歌
I've noticed that.
我注意到了
Do American people sing in bars, too? I've forgotten.
美国人也常在酒吧唱歌吗？ 我忘了.
No. We're apt to be pretty sullen in bars.
不, 我们是很沉闷的.
Und alle Leute soll'n es seh'n
Wenn wir...
I wish you understood German.
我希望你能了解德国
The words are very beautiful. Very sad.
语言很美, 很忧伤
Much sadder than the English words.
比英语要忧伤多了
"The German soldier knows he's going to lose his girl and his life."
"德国军人知道他们要失去妻子或女朋友"
"The lantern burns every night."
"每晚路灯都会点亮"
"it knows your steps and the way you walk."
"我依然记得你的步伐."
"it burns every night, but I've been long forgotten."
"每夜都在燃烧, 可我无时不在想念"
"Should harm come to me,
"我是否该受伤害,
who will stand with you
谁同你一起
under the lantern with you,
在路灯之下的是,
Lili Marleen."
莉莉·玛琳."
Mit dir Lili Marleen
What is your life like in America?
你在美国生活如何
- Do you have a family? - Yes, I have a daughter,
- 你有家庭吗? - 是的, 有个女儿
- and she has four children. - Four?
- 她有四个孩子. - 四个?
- You must be very proud of them. - Yes, I am. I admit it.
- 你一定以他们为骄傲了 - 是, 我承认
- And where's your wife? - She died a few years ago.
- 你妻子呢? - 她几年前去世了
Zigaretten?
要香烟吗?
- How about you? Do you have children? - No, I don't.
- 你怎么样？有孩子么? - 不
What is your position in America? It must be important.
你在美国地位如何? 一定身居要职了
No, it isn't really. I'm a district court judge.
不, 其实也不是 只是联邦地方法院的法官
I haven't even been that for the last year.
去年我就不做了.
- Are you retired? - Forcibly, by the electorate.
- 你退休了吗? - 选举时退位了.
You elect judges in the United States?
在美国法官是选举的吗?
- Yes, in some states. - I didn't know that.
- 是的, 有些州是这样的 - 我不知道
It's either a virtue or a defect of our judiciary system.
这是司法体系的优点也是缺点.
I thought it was one of the virtues until last year, when I was defeated.
我想去年我被淘汰也是好事.
I'm sure it was the fault of the electorate, not yours.
我想还是选举制度的问题, 不是你的错.
There seems to be some difference of opinion about that.
在这个问题上大家也是有分歧的
- This is where I live. - Here?
- 我就住这. - 这里?
Yes. It's not so bad inside.
是的, 里面还不错.
Would you like to come up? I could make some coffee.
要上来喝杯咖啡么？.
Yes, thank you.
好的, 谢谢
Things haven't been very easy for you, have they?
生活不容易吧?
I'm not used to them being easy.
我不习惯太舒适.
I'm not fragile, Judge Haywood.
我可没那么脆弱
I'm a daughter of the military.
我是军人的女儿
- You know what that means, don't you? - No, I'm afraid I don't.
- 你知道这意味着什么? - 不, 我不知道
It means I was taught discipline.
这说明我是受纪律教育的
A very special kind of discipline.
一种很特别的纪律
For instance, as a child we would go for long rides into the country in the summer.
比如, 在小时候 夏天我们要走很远到乡村.
But I was never allowed to run to the lemonade stand with the others.
但是我从来不允许在路上像其他孩子一样喝柠檬水.
I was told "Control your thirst."
我被教育要："控制干渴."
"Control hunger."
"控制饥饿."
"Control emotion."
"控制感情."
It has served me well.
这对我帮助很大
And your husband? Was he of that heritage, too?
那你的丈夫呢？ 他也如此吗?
My husband was a soldier. He was brought up to do one thing...
我的丈夫是军人, 他只知道一件事-
to fight in the battle and fight well.
战斗, 打好战
- Is the coffee all right? - Fine, thank you.
- 咖啡还好吗? - 很好, 谢谢
It's ersatz, but I always try to make it strong.
我加了伊砂特, 加重味道的.
It's fine.
很好
I'm curious.
我很好奇
What do you think of Ernst Janning?
你是怎么看欧内斯特·姜宁的?
Mrs Bertholt, I'm not at liberty to discuss the case outside of the courtroom.
柏斯德夫人, 我不好在庭外私自评论的.
Oh, yes. Of course.
噢, 当然
I knew Ernst Janning a little. We used to attend the same concerts.
我对他的事情知道一点 我们一同参加过音乐会.
I remember there was a reception given for Wagner's daughter-in-law.
我记得有个对瓦格纳儿媳妇的接待会
Hitler was there.
当时希特勒也在
Ernst Janning was there with his wife.
欧内斯特·姜宁和他妻子一起
She was very beautiful.
她很漂亮
Very small, very delicate.
小巧可爱
She's dead now.
她现在死了
Hitler was quite taken with her.
希特勒为她着迷了.
He made advances towards her during the reception.
他在接待会上接见她.
He used to do things like that in a burst of emotion.
他总是感情冲动.
I will never forget the way Ernst Janning cut him down.
我不会忘记欧内斯特·姜宁制止他的一幕.
I don't think anybody did it to him quite that way.
我想没有人那么对待过他.
He said "Chancellor, I do not object so much that you are so ill-mannered."
他说 "长官, 我对你的失礼并不在意."
"I do not object to that so much."
"我不介意你的失礼."
"I object that you are such a bourgeois."
"我只介意你竟是如此平庸."
Hitler whitened, stared at Janning and walked out.
希特勒都气白了脸, 生气的离开了
Is the coffee really all right?
咖啡还好吗?
Fine, thank you.
很好, 谢谢
Men like Janning, my husband and I, we hated Hitler.
像姜宁、我丈夫还有我这样的人们, 都憎恨希特勒.
I want you to know that. And he hated us.
我想要你知道 他恨我们.
He hated my husband because he was a real war hero,
他恨我的丈夫, 因为他是真的英雄,
and the little corporal couldn't tolerate that.
然后他不能容忍.
And he hated him because he married into nobility, which was my family.
他（希特勒）恨他娶到了贵族的女儿.
Hitler was in awe of the nobility, but he hated it.
希特勒害怕高贵, 但他憎恨.
That's why it's so ironic, what happened.
这就是所发生的, 很有讽刺意义.
You know what happened to my husband?
你知道我丈夫怎么样了?
Yes.
是
What did he know of the crimes they cited him for?
他们指控他的罪名?
He was placed on trial with the other military leaders.
他同其他的战犯一起被审判
He was part of the revenge the victors always take on the vanquished.
他是战争的牺牲品.
It was political murder.
这是政治谋杀.
You can see that, can't you?
你可以明白的, 不是吗?
Mrs Bertholt, I don't know what I see.
柏斯德夫人, 我不明白.
I probably shouldn't be here talking with you about this at all.
我或许真的不该同你谈这个.
I want to understand. I do want to understand.
我明白, 我真的想明白.
I have to.
我不得不
Would you like some more coffee?
你还要咖啡吗?
Yes, thank you.
好的, 谢谢
- Hi. - Hi.
- 嗨 - 嗨
We found Irene Hoffman.
我们找到艾琳·霍夫曼了.
- Where? - Berlin.
- 哪里? - 柏林.
Berlin, eh?
柏林?
She got married. Her name is Wallner now. That's why we couldn't locate her.
她结婚了, 她现在是叫沃尔纳 所以我们找不到她
- When is she coming? - She's not coming.
- 她什么时候来? - 她不来
- What do you mean, she's not coming? - She doesn't want to come.
- 你说她不来是什么意思? - 她不想来
You know what it's like. None of them want to testify any more.
你也知道的, 没有人想再作证了.
If I catch the midnight, I can get to Berlin and be back by tomorrow afternoon.
如果午夜赶去, 明天下午我能赶回来.
- Tad, you haven't slept... - it will be worth it if I can get Hoffman.
- 你还没睡过... - 如果找到霍夫曼那是值得的.
Take over for me in court in the morning, will you?
明天早上法庭由你负责?
Colonel, please. I have told you this before when you first came in.
上校, 你一来我就告诉过你.
I say it again now: we are through with all this.
我现在再说一遍： 我们已经与此案无关了
She does not have to go. You have no right to order her to.
她没必要去, 你没权力要她去
Mr Wallner, I'm not ordering her to go. I have no authority to do that.
沃尔纳先生, 我不是要命令她走. 我没有那样的权力.
Do you think we get a medal for appearing at these trials?
你不是觉得我们出席审判就能获奖吧?
The people do not like them, they do not want Germans to testify against Germans.
人民不喜欢这样, 他们不喜欢德国人做出对同胞的不利证明.
I haven't been prosecuting these cases for the past two years without knowing that.
这两年我在不知情的情况下, 一直没有处理这些案子.
It is easy for you to say go.
你说走是很容易的.
After the trials you go back to America, but we must live with these people.
审判结束后你就回美国了, 但我们还是要同人民继续一起生活.
Mr Wallner, don't you think I realise what I'm asking?
沃尔纳先生, 你不觉得我知道我正要问的吗?
How can you come in like the Gestapo...
你怎么可以像盖世太保一样...
Because they must not be allowed to get away with what they did!
因为他们要为自己的作为付出代价!
Do you really think they won't get away with it in the end?
你认为他们到最后也不会逃脱吗?
I say the hell with them and the hell with you.
对天发誓如此.
Hugo.
好
Emil Hahn will be there?
爱米尔·哈恩会在场吗?
Yes. In the dock.
是的, 在法庭
Ernst Janning?
欧内斯特·姜宁?
Yes.
是的.
You saw the store downstairs.
你看到楼下的店铺了吧.
It's not much, but it's a new start for us.
虽然小本经营, 但对我们来说是新的开始.
They will come if I go to Nuremberg.
如果我去纽伦堡他们就会来.
They will come and break the windows of the store.
他们会砸了店铺.
I'll place a guard in front of the store 24 hours a day.
我会让守卫24小时守护.
- You do not have to go, Irene... - Irene, you do have to go.
- 你没必要去, 艾琳... - 艾琳, 你务必要去.
You have to go for all the people who can't get on the stand themselves.
你要为那些站不起来的人民而去.
- You do not owe it to anybody, Irene. - Yes, you do!
- 你不亏欠任何人, 艾琳. - 不, 你有!
You owe it to one person at least.
你至少对不起一个人.
In the night...
在晚上...
every night...
每天晚上...
we've known somehow it would come to this.
我们早知道会有这样的结果.
Dr Geuter, do you recognise that headline?
Dr Geuter, 你还记得那标题吗?
Yes, sir.
是的
Would you read it to the tribunal?
你可以当庭宣读吗?
"Death to the race defiler."
"种族污染."
- In what newspaper did it appear? - Julius Streicher's Der Stürmer.
- 在什么报纸里刊登的呢? - 朱利叶斯日报.
What was it in connection with?
这同什么案子有关?
The Feldenstein case.
费尔德斯特的案子.
What was the Feldenstein case?
什么费尔德斯特案子?
Your Honour! The defence objects to introduction of the Feldenstein case.
法官大人! 被告提交介绍费尔德斯特案子的资料.
It is a notorious case, perhaps the most notorious of the period.
这是个荒谬的案子, 只怕是当时期最荒谬的.
It has overtones and appeals to emotion that would perhaps be best not raised.
既没有相关主题, 又掺加感情因素.
There are no issues or overtones that may not be raised in this courtroom.
与案件无关的资料不需提交.
The tribunal is interested in everything that is relevant. Objection is overruled.
但本庭对案件相关的内容都感兴趣 反对驳回.
It's all right. I'll take it.
好, 接下来我来.
- May it please the tribunal? - You may continue.
-法官大人, 可以继续吗? -请继续.
Thank you.
谢谢
Now, what was the Feldenstein case?
那么, 费尔德斯特的案子到底是怎么回事呢?
The case of a man accused of racial pollution.
是有关原告因种族污染而指控被告.
Will you explain what is meant by "racial pollution"?
你能否解释一下什么是「种族污染」?
This is the charge that is referred to in the Nuremberg laws.
这是根据纽伦堡法律来说的.
Any non-Aryan having sexual relations with an Aryan may be punished by death.
任何非印欧语系的人同印欧语系人种 发生性关系将有可能被判处死刑
When did you first become acquainted with the Feldenstein case?
你什么时候知道费尔德斯特的案子呢?
In September 1935 I was contacted by the police.
在1935年9月 警方联系到我.
They said that Mr Feldenstein was being held
告诉我费尔德斯特先生被拘禁了
and that he requested that I serve as his counsellor.
费尔德斯特先生要求我来做法律顾问
What position did he hold in the community?
他当时是什么出身?
He was a very well-known merchant.
他是非常有名的商人.
He was one of the heads of the Jewish Congregation in Nuremberg.
他是纽伦堡犹太教会组织领导之一.
What was the nature of the charge against him?
警方以什么罪名起诉他?
He was accused of having intimate relations with a 16-year-old girl, Irene Hoffman.
他被起诉同16岁的艾琳·霍夫曼有亲密关系
I see.
我明白了
And what did he say to you about the case?
然后他对你说了什么?
He said it was false.
他说是冤枉的.
He said he knew the girl and her family a long time.
他说他早就认识小女孩同她的家人.
He'd gone to visit her since they died.
在父母死后他总去看她.
But there had never been anything of the kind charged between them.
但是他们没有什么亲密关系.
Doctor, would you please tell the tribunal what happened then?
医生, 能否请你告诉法庭接下来发生了什么?
He was indicted before the special court at Nuremberg.
他在没有经过特别法庭审理就直接被起诉了.
Where was this special court?
特别法庭在哪里?
It was right here. This building. This very courtroom.
就在这里, 这里的特别庭.
Dr Geuter, what were the circumstances surrounding the trial?
盖特博士, 当时的审判庭情形如何?
It was used as a showplace for National Socialism.
是纳粹主义耀武扬威的地方.
It was the time of the September celebrations, the Nuremberg rallies.
当时正值纽伦堡9月欢庆.
The courtroom was crowded.
法庭里人潮拥挤.
Back there, people were standing up.
就在后面站满了人.
Julius Streicher was sitting in one of the front seats.
朱利叶斯就坐在前排的位置.
And high officials of the Nazi party were all over.
纳粹党的高员们也都到场了.
Doctor, would you please tell us
医生, 能否告诉我们
what were your expectations for the trial in this climate?
你当时如何预料审判趋势?
I expected the worst
我做最坏打算
when I saw that Emil Hahn was the public prosecutor.
当我看到爱米尔·哈恩是公诉人
He was a fanatic.
他是狂热分子
His trials were always marked by extreme brutality.
他的审判以野蛮残酷著称
But I had one hope for the outcome,
但我还是抱着一丝希望,
because sitting on the judge's bench was Ernst Janning.
因为坐在审判席的还有欧内斯特·姜宁.
His reputation was known throughout Germany.
他的声誉全国知晓.
He was known to have dedicated his life to justice, to the concept of justice.
他以全身心贡献于法律正义闻名
Thank you. That's all.
谢谢, 问答毕
Any questions?
还有问题吗?
Thank you. No questions.
谢谢, 没有
The witness is excused.
请证人离席.
The prosecution calls to the stand Irene Hoffman Wallner.
请求传召证人 艾琳·霍夫曼·沃尔纳出庭做证.
Will you raise your right hand?
请举右手?
I swear by God the Almighty and Omniscient
我向全能无所不知的主发誓
that I will speak the pure truth and withhold and add nothing.
我会说出事实的真相, 绝无虚假.
I do.
我会的
Will you please state your name to the tribunal?
可以告诉法庭你的名字吗?
Irene Hoffman Wallner.
艾琳·霍夫曼·沃尔纳
Mrs Wallner, did you know Lehman Feldenstein?
沃尔纳夫人, 你认识雷曼·费尔德斯特么?
Yes.
是的
When did you first meet him?
你什么时候第一次遇到他?
It was 1925 or 1926. I am not sure exactly.
1925或1926年, 不是很确切.
- How old was he at this time? - He was in his fifties.
- 他当时几岁? - 50多.
And how old was he at the time of his arrest?
他被捕时又几岁?
- He was 65. - I see.
- 65. -我知道了.
What was the nature of your relationship?
你们两人是什么关系?
We were friends.
我们是朋友.
Did you continue to see him after your parents died?
你父母死后你还见他吗?
- Yes. - Why?
- 是. - 为什么?
We were friends. He owned the building that I lived in.
我们是朋友 我住的房子也是他的
His business took him there quite often.
他也要常在那一带做生意.
Now, what did you say to the police when they questioned you about having intimate relations with him?
当警方讯问他同你的亲密关系时 你是怎么说的
I told them it was a lie.
我说那都是胡说
Could you tell me who the public prosecutor was?
可以告诉我当时的公诉人是谁吗?
Emil Hahn.
爱米尔·哈恩
- Did Emil Hahn question you? - Yes.
-爱米尔·哈恩讯问你了吗? - 是.
What did he say to you?
他同你说了什么?
He... took me into a separate room
他把我带到另一个房间
where we were alone.
只有我们两人
He told me that it was no use to repeat my story
他告诉我重复故事是没有用的
because no one would believe me.
因为没人会相信我
That there had been race defilement,
因为有了种族污染,
and the only pardon for this was to kill the violator.
唯一可以解救的就是杀死越轨者.
He told me that if I protected Mr Feldenstein,
他告诉我如果我偏袒费尔德斯特先生,
that I would be held under arrest for perjury.
我会以伪证罪被拘禁.
What did you reply to him?
你怎么答复他呢?
I told him what I had said, again and again.
我一遍又一遍的重复我说过的
I told him that I could not say anything else,
我告诉他我别无可说的了,
I could not lie about someone who had been so kind to me.
我不能撒谎对不起我的恩人.
Were you held under arrest?
你被拘捕了吗?
Yes.
是.
Mrs Wallner, tell us,
沃尔纳夫人, 告诉我们,
what was the manner in which Emil Hahn conducted the prosecution?
爱米尔·哈恩在零讯时是什么态度?
He made a mockery of everything Mr Feldenstein tried to say in his own defence.
他嘲笑费尔德斯特的一切辩解
He held him up to ridicule whenever possible.
一有机会就奚落他.
What was the reaction of the audience?
听众们什么反映?
They laughed again and again.
他们一次次的大笑.
How long did the trial last?
审判时间有多久?
Mrs Wallner?
沃尔纳夫人?
How long did the trial last?
审判维持了多久?
Two days.
两天
Was the verdict passed at the end of the second day?
第二天陪审团的裁决通过了吗?
Yes.
是.
- What was the verdict? - Guilty.
- 裁决如何? - 有罪.
And what was the sentence?
判决如何?
Mr Feldenstein was sentenced to be executed.
费尔德斯特被处死刑
I was sentenced to be in prison for two years for perjury.
我以伪证判处两年监禁.
Who was the presiding judge?
当时谁是首席法官?
Ernst Janning.
欧内斯特·姜宁
Were the sentences carried out?
判决生效了吗?
Thank you very much, Mrs Wallner. That's all.
非常感谢 我没有问题了
Any questions?
还有问题吗?
Your Honour, I would like to request that the witness be kept available.
法官大人, 我请求保留证人
We will present further evidence on the Feldenstein matter
一旦时机合适,
when it comes time for the defence to present its case.
在费尔德斯特一案中 我们会提供进一步的证据
The witness will please hold herself so available.
证人请做好再次出庭准备.
You may go. You're excused now.
现在你可以离庭了
Colonel Lawson.
劳森上校
Your Honours, I offer in evidence a decree, signed by Adolf Hitler,
法官大人, 我要求出示由希特勒颁布的法令
directing that all persons accused or suspected of disloyalty or resistance of any sort
任何人因为不忠或抵抗,
might be arrested secretly,
可以进行秘密逮捕拘留
with no notice to friends or relatives, without any trial whatsoever,
可以秘密进行, 不经审判,
and put into concentration camps.
拘禁在集中营.
I also offer a group of orders issued under that decree,
我还可以提供一组在此法令下做出的决定书,
each one signed by one of the defendants,
都是由被告们签署,
by which hundreds of persons were arrested
以至数以千计的人被捕
and placed in concentration camps.
关押到了集中营
Signed by Friedrich Hofstetter,
签署人有：弗里德·霍夫斯特
Werner Lampe,
沃纳·兰谱,
Emil Hahn,
爱米尔·哈恩,
Ernst Janning.
欧内斯特·姜宁.
Your Honours, the defendants on trial here today
法官大人, 今天在席的被告
did not personally administer the concentration camps.
本身没有管理集中营.
They never had to beat victims,
他们从来没有鞭打受害者,
or pull the lever that released gas into the chambers.
或者给他们灌毒气.
But as the documents we have introduced into this case have shown,
但是根据我们提供的证据显示,
these defendants fashioned and executed laws,
被告们都是法律的实施者,
and rendered judgments
他们做出了裁决
which sent millions of victims to their destinations.
以至百万人被判决.
Major Radnitz.
兰迪兹少校.
Your Honours, I would like to request that Colonel Lawson be sworn in as a witness.
法官大人, 我请求劳森上校做证
- Granted. - Thank you.
-准许. - 谢谢.
Will you raise your right hand?
请举右手?
I swear by God the Almighty and Omniscient
我向全能无所不知的主发誓
that I will speak the pure truth and withhold and add nothing.
我会说出事实的真相, 绝无虚假.
I do.
我会的
Were you active in the United States army in 1945 at the close of the war?
1945年结束战争时你是否服役美国军队?
Yes, I was.
是的
Were you in command of troops liberating concentration camps?
是否由你指挥部队解放集中营?
I was.
是的
- Were you in Dachau and Belsen? - Yes.
- 你是否在达靠和贝尔森? - 是
Were you present when the films we are about to see were taken?
你是否需要向我们提供录像数据?
Yes, I was.
是的
OK.
好
The map shows the number of and location of concentration camps under the Third Reich.
地图显示了第三帝国的集中营的数量和方位
Buchenwald concentration camp was founded in 1933.
布痕瓦尔德集中营创建于1933年
Its inmates numbered about 80, 000.
囚禁了80, 000多人.
There was a motto at Buchenwald:
在布痕瓦尔德有种说法:
"Break the body,
"摧残肢体,
break the spirit,
折磨意志,
break the heart."
销毁心脏."
The ovens at Buchenwald,
都在布痕瓦尔德烤炉,
evidence of last-minute efforts to dispose of bodies.
处理尸体的证据.
The stoves were manufactured by a well-known company
烤炉是由知名产家生产
which also specialised in baking ovens.
同时, 这样的烤炉也是出名的面包烤炉.
The name of the firm is clearly inscribed.
公司的名字已经知道了
An exhibit of by-products of Buchenwald,
布痕瓦尔德集中营的成品展,
displayed for the local townspeople by an Allied officer.
展示在当地人和盟军面前.
Brushes of every description.
刷子
Shoes... adults' and children's.
鞋子 - 大人们和小孩的
Spectacles.
眼镜
Gold from teeth, melted down,
牙齿上的金子, 被融化了
sent once a month to the medical department of the Waffen SS.
每月都会被送往武装党卫队.
A lampshade made from human skin.
用人皮做的灯罩.
Skin being used for paintings,
用来绘画的人皮,
many having an obscene nature.
都是淫秽作品.
The heads of two Polish labourers,
两个波兰劳工的头颅,
shrunken to one-fifth their normal size.
缩小到只有原1/5大小.
A human pelvis used as an ashtray.
骨盆架被用作烟灰缸.
Children who had been tattooed to mark them for eventual extermination.
孩子们被纹身标志做最后的处决.
Sometimes mercy was shown to the children.
有时孩子们会被给予怜悯.
They were injected with morphia
他们会被注射吗啡
so they'd be unconscious when hanged.
然后他们会在无知觉中被绞死.
One of the doctors described how they'd then place ropes around their necks,
有一名医生描述如何执行绞刑,
and in the doctor's own words:
用医生的语言描述就是:
"Like pictures, they were then hanged by hooks on the walls."
"就像图画一样, 他们被钓死在墙上."
The bodies of those who had come in boxcars,
大批人员在集装车厢中运输,
without food and without air,
没有足够的食物和空气,
who hadn't survived the journey to Dachau.
最后坚持不到达靠.
Hundreds of inmates were used as human guinea pigs
数以千计的人被用作白老鼠,
for atrocious medical experiments.
用作医学实验对像
A witness at an execution at Dachau gave the following description:
一位现场的目击证人给出如下描述:
"inmates were made to leave their clothing on a rack.
"他们被要求脱光衣服.
"They were told they were going to take baths.
"他们以为是去洗澡.
"Then the doors were locked.
"然后门就锁上了.
"Tins of Zyklon B were released through the specially constructed apertures.
"大量的毒气从管道中喷出.
"You could hear the groaning and the whimpering inside.
"你可以听到里面的呻吟残叫声.
"After two or three minutes, all was quiet."
"两三分钟后, 一切归于平静."
Death transports that had arrived included 90, 000 from Slovakia,
死亡数据统计 90, 000 来自斯洛伐克
65, 000 from Greece,
65, 000 来自希腊
11, 000 from France,
11, 000 来自法国
90, 000 from Holland,
90, 000 来自荷兰
400, 000 from Hungary,
400, 000 来自匈牙利
250, 000 from Poland and Upper Silesia,
250, 000 来自波兰和中欧地区
and 100, 000 from Germany.
另外100, 000 来自德国
And this is what was filmed
这些就是当盟军解放贝尔森集中营的时候
when British troops liberated Belsen concentration camp.
所拍摄到的
For sanitary reasons a British bulldozer had to bury the bodies as quickly as possible.
处于卫生考虑, 只好用推土机尽快掩埋尸体
Who were the bodies?
这些尸体是谁?
Members of every occupied country of Europe.
欧洲被占领国家的人民.
Two-thirds of the Jews of Europe... exterminated.
欧洲2/3的犹太人遭到了灭绝.
More than six million,
超过了6, 000, 000
according to reports from the Nazis' own figures.
这是根据纳粹的数据报告.
But the real figure...
但真实的数据又是多少呢...
no one knows.
没有人知道
How dare they show us those films? How dare they?
他们怎么敢让我们看那些录像? 怎么敢?
We are not executioners! We are judges.
我们不是刽子手! 我们是裁判者.
You do not think it was like that, do you?
你认为不该是那样的对吗?
There were executions, yes, but nothing like that.
那是执行死刑, 不过不应该是那样的.
Nothing at all!
根本不该是!
Pohl!
波!
Pohl!
波!
You ran those concentration camps, you and Eichmann.
是你同艾克曼负责集中营的,
They say we killed millions of people.
他们说我们屠杀了百万人
Millions of people!
百万人!
How could it be possible?
怎么可能?
Tell them! How could it be possible?
告诉他们！ 怎么可能?
It's possible.
是可以的
How?
如何做?
You mean technically?
你说技术上?
It all depends on your facilities.
全要依靠你的工具设备.
Say you have two chambers that accommodate 2, 000 people apiece.
你有两幢每单间可以容纳2, 000人的房间.
Figure it out.
算一下
It's possible to get rid of 10, 000 in a half hour.
在半小时内就可以解决10, 000人
You don't even need guards to do it.
你也不需要让守卫来动手
You can tell them they are going to take a shower,
你告诉他们要洗澡了,
and then instead of the water, you tum on the gas.
接下来你不是开水龙头, 只要开毒气就可以了.
It's not the killing that is the problem. It's disposing of the bodies.
杀人不是问题, 问题是如何处理尸体.
That's the problem.
那才是问题
Das ist schön
Wunderschön
Das tut gut
Was man alles im Liebesrausch tut
Und zur Nacht ﬂiegt ein ﬂüsterndes Fleh'n
ach verweile, du bist ja so schön
Doch die Liebe bleibt nur, wo sie ist
Wenn man immer aufs neue sich küsst
Und so lebt...
- I'm sorry I'm late. - That's all right.
- 对不起, 我迟到了. - 没关系.
I was doing some work for the rebuilding committee.
我在处理重建委员会的事情.
I brought you some folders so we can decide what you should see next.
我给你带了文件看看, 好决定接下来要怎么办.
There's the Albrecht Durer house. And the museum.
那才是真正的房屋艺术.
- When do you think you could make it? - Any time.
- 你认为你什么时候可以处理? - 随时.
- Would you like to order now? - Can I help you with the menu?
- 现在可以点菜了吗? - 让我来点好吗?
I don't think I'll have anything, thank you.
我想我什么都不要, 谢谢.
A glass of Moselle, please.
一杯摩泽尔葡萄酒
Moselle.
摩泽尔
What is the matter?
怎么了?
Nothing. I'm just not hungry, that's all.
没什么, 我就是不饿
You know...
你知道...
the last few days have meant a great deal to me.
最后的日子对我很重要.
How?
怎么?
I don't think you realise what a provincial man I really am.
我想你不知道我曾四处流浪.
I've been abroad just exactly once before this.
在这之前我也出国过一次.
That was when I was a doughboy in World War I.
那时是「一战」时, 我是一名步兵.
I used to pass places like this and wonder what they were like.
以前我总到这些地方, 很好奇.
- They've meant a great deal to me, too. - How?
- 他们对我也影响很大 - 怎么?
They gave me back the feeling I had of the Americans.
他们给了我美国一样的感觉.
The feeling I used to have when I was in your country.
当我在你的国家时所有的那种感觉.
It's too bad this isn't a magazine story.
真遗憾这不是什么杂志故事
Why?
为什么?
If it were, two people like us, the rapidly ageing jurist...
如果是, 我们两个 一个成熟老迈的法学家...
Oh, no.
噢, 不
The rapidly ageing jurist and the beautiful widow
一个成熟老迈的法学家和一个漂亮的寡妇
would transcend their difficulties and travel places either by land or by sea.
将会克服重重困难, 穿越各种险阻.
I saw Mr Perkins today.
今天我见到麦克斯
He told me they showed those pictures in the courtroom,
他告诉我在法庭展示的录像
Colonel Lawson's favourite pictures.
劳森上校最喜欢的图片
He drags them out at any pretext, doesn't he?
他总是推脱不肯出示, 对吧?
Colonel Lawson's private chamber of horrors.
劳森上校的个人恐怖收藏
Is that what you think we are? Do you think we knew of those things?
这就是你认为的我们? 你认为我们知道这些事情吗?
Do you think we wanted to murder women and children?
你觉得我们希望屠杀妇女和小孩么?
Do you believe that? Do you?
你相信吗? 信么?
Mrs Bertholt, I don't know what to believe.
柏斯德夫人, 我不知道要相信什么
Good God. We're sitting here drinking.
天, 我们在这里喝酒
How could you think that we knew?
你怎么就认为我们知道?
We did not know.
我们不知道
We did not know!
我们不知道
As far as I can make out, no one in this country knew.
据我所知, 这个国家的人都不知道.
Mrs Bertholt, your husband was one of the heads of the army.
柏斯德夫人, 你丈夫是军队指挥之一.
And he did not know. I tell you, he did not know.
那么我来告诉你, 他不知道.
It was Himmler. It was Goebbels. The SS knew what happened.
是西姆莱、戈贝斯和SS, 他们知道发生了什么事情
We did not know.
我们不知道
Listen to me. There are things that happened on both sides.
听着, 事情有两面性.
My husband was a military man all his life.
我丈夫一生都是军人.
He was entitled to a soldier's death. He asked for that.
他应该享受军人的葬礼, 这也是他希望的.
I tried to get that for him. Just that, that he would die with some honour.
我只是想为他争取, 仅仅如此而已.
I went from official to official. I begged for that!
我四处拜访!
That he should be permitted the dignity of a firing squad.
他应该死的尊严.
You know what happened.
你知道发生什么了吗.
He was hanged with the others. And after that, I knew what it was to hate.
他同其他人一样被绞死了, 我恨所有人.
I never left the house. I never left the room. I drank.
我没有离开房间一步, 只是酗酒
I hated with every fibre of my being. I hated every American I've ever known.
我恨一切, 恨我所认识的一切美国人.
But one can't live with hate. I know that.
但我知道人不能因为仇恨活着.
Dan,
丹,
we have to forget if we are to go on living.
如果我们要继续生活, 就要学会遗忘.
Du darfst auf mich bauen
Weißt ja, wie gut ich dir bin
Ja, ja, ja, ja
Weißt doch, wie gut ich dir bin.
Und, und, wenn in der Ferne
Dir, dir, mein Bild erscheint
Dann, dann, wünscht' so gerne
Dass uns die Liebe vereint
Herr Rolfe.
罗尔福.
May it please the tribunal.
尊敬的法官大人.
Yesterday the tribunal witnessed some films.
昨天看过了录像资料.
They were... shocking films.
那些是……骇人听闻的录像.
Devastating films.
另人震惊的录像
As a German,
作为德国人,
I feel ashamed that such things could have taken place in my country.
我为这样的事情发生在我国而羞耻.
There can never be a justification for them,
这是毫无道理的,
not in generations, not in centuries.
世世代代都不会有道理.
But...
但是...
I do think it was wrong,
我认为公诉人
indecent
在这个时候
and terribly unfair of the prosecution
向在席的被告
to show such films in this case, in this court, at this time
展示这些录像资料
against these defendants!
是非常下流、无耻的做法!
And I cannot protest too strongly against such tactics.
我不得不强烈抗议这样的做法.
What is the prosecution trying to prove?
公诉人到底想要证明什么?
That the German people as a whole were responsible for these events?
难道是全德国人都要对事件负责?
Or that they were even aware of them?
或者还是全德国人都是知情的?
Because, if he is,
如果是的话,
he's not stating facts
那他就不是陈述事实
and he knows he's not.
他知道他不是.
The secrecy of the operations,
军事操作的秘密,
the geographical location of the camps,
战俘营的地理方位,
the breakdown of communications in the last days of the war
战争后期通信的破坏
when the exterminations rose into the millions,
当死亡变成了百万之数,
show only too clearly that he is not telling the truth.
这只能说明他不是在说明事实.
The truth is that these brutalities were brought about by the few extremists.
事实是这些暴行是由少数人操作的.
The criminals.
那些罪犯.
Very few Germans knew what was going on.
极少数德国人知道发生了什么.
Very few.
极少
None of us knew what was happening in the places shown on these films.
我们到不知道录像中的地方, 发生了什么事情
None of us.
没有一个知道
But the most ironic part of it
但最讽刺的是
is that the prosecution showed these films against these defendants,
检查官却以此公诉对抗被告,
men who stayed in power for one reason only:
被告只为一个理由而拥有权力:
to prevent worse things from happening.
防止更坏的结果发生
Who is the braver man?
谁才是更勇敢的人呢?
The man who escapes or resigns in times of peril?
在危难中逃跑或辞职的人?
Or the man who stays on his post at the risk of his own personal safety?
还是置身死不顾坚守岗位的人?
The defence will present witnesses and letters and documents
被告接下来出示的证人证物
from religious and political refugees all over the world
来自全球各界宗教团体
telling how Ernst Janning saved them from execution.
说明欧内斯特·姜宁是怎么样从死刑中解救了他们
The defence will show the many times
被告还会证明
Ernst Janning was able to effect mitigation of sentences,
在没有欧内斯特·姜宁法官作用影响下
when without his influence the results would have been much worse.
结果会更严重
The defence will show
被告还会证明
that Ernst Janning's personal physician was a non-Aryan.
欧内斯特·姜宁的私人医生是非雅利安人
A Jewish man who he kept in attendance, much to his own peril.
保留一个犹太人出席作证是相当危险.
The defence presents affidavits from legal authorities and famed jurists the world over,
被告方宣誓
pleading that special consideration must be made in this case,
恳求在此案中要特别考虑,
saying that the entire work of Ernst Janning was inspired by one motive only:
欧内斯特·姜宁所有的工作灵感都源于:
the endeavour to preserve justice and the concept of justice.
尽力保存正义以及正义感.
Now, what has the prosecution to offer against this?
现在, 公诉人还有什么要对抗的呢?
The prosecution, in fact, has presented in the case of Ernst Janning
在针对欧内斯特·姜宁的起诉中,
only one tangible piece of evidence.
只有一件有事实根据的证据.
The Feldenstein case. A notorious case, as the defence said.
费尔德斯特的案子 正如被告说的一样：臭名远播
A case which never should have been reopened.
一件不应开审的案子.
A case which the defence is obliged to review now.
一件另被告不得不审理的案子.
The defence calls Mrs Elsa Lindnow.
被告请求艾尔莎夫人出庭作证.
Will you raise your right hand?
请举右手?
I swear by God the Almighty and Omniscient
我向全能无所不知的主发誓
that I will speak the pure truth and withhold and add nothing.
我会说出事实的真相, 绝无虚假.
I do.
我会的
Mrs Lindnow.
艾尔莎夫人
What is your occupation?
你的工作是?
I am a cleaning woman.
清洁女工.
Where are you employed?
哪里工作?
4... 345 Grosseplatz.
格罗配街345号
- Did you know Lehman Feldenstein? - Yes, I knew him.
- 你认识雷曼·费尔德斯特么? -是的, 认识
- In what capacity? - He was my employer in 1935.
- 怎么认识的? - 在1935我给他干活.
Do you know Mrs Irene Hoffman Wallner?
你认识艾琳·霍夫曼么?
Yes.
是
- In what capacity? - She was a tenant in the building.
- 怎么认识的? - 她是那里的房客.
Did you ever see Miss Hoffman and Mr Feldenstein together?
你有没有见到霍夫曼小姐同费尔德斯特先生一起?
- Yes. - How did this happen?
- 是. - 到底怎么回事?
Mr Feldenstein came to see Miss Hoffman at her apartment.
费尔德斯特先生到 霍夫曼小姐的公寓去看她
- Often? - Quite often.
- 经常吗? - 常常
Were there any occasions in which you noticed anything unusual?
你有发现什么不正常的情况吗?
Yes.
是
I saw Miss Hoffman kissing Mr Feldenstein at the door of her apartment.
我见到霍夫曼小姐在楼下, 吻了费尔德斯特先生
- Was there any other occasion? - Yes. There was one.
- 还有其他场合吗? - 是的, 有一次.
- What was it? - I came to Miss Hoffman's apartment.
- 怎么样? - 我到了霍夫曼小姐的房间.
I wanted to clean up. I thought it was empty.
我以为没人, 所以就去清理.
I saw Miss Hoffman sitting on Mr Feldenstein's lap.
我看到霍夫曼小姐坐在费尔德斯特先生的大腿上.
Thank you, Mrs Lindnow. That's all.
谢谢, 就这些了
Colonel Lawson?
劳森上校?
Earphones, please.
请戴上耳机
Mrs Lindnow, what are your political affiliations?
夫人, 你的政治面貌?
Political?
政治面貌?
Objection, Your Honour.
反对, 法官大人.
This witness' political affiliations have nothing to do with the testimony.
证人的政治面貌同她的证词无关.
Colonel Lawson is again trying to appeal to the emotion of the court.
劳森上校再次企图用感情因素影响审判
Objection overruled.
反对无效
Now would you answer the question, please?
请你回答?
Were you a member of the National Socialist party?
你是纳粹党吗?
Yes, I was.
是
We were forced to be.
我们是被迫的
"We were forced to be."
"我们是被迫的."
When did you become a member of the Nazi party?
你什么时候成为纳粹党成员的?
1933.
Were all German nationals forced to become Nazi party members in 1933?
所有德国人在1933年都加入纳粹党吗?
Please answer me, Mrs Lindnow!
请回答!
Were you forced to become a member of the Nazi party?
你是否被迫成为纳粹党?
That's all.
问毕
Witness is excused.
证人离席
Defence may continue.
被告方继续.
The defence calls Irene Hoffman Wallner to the stand.
被告方传召 艾琳·霍夫曼? 沃尔纳出庭
Mrs Wallner,
沃尔纳夫人
you are still under oath.
你的誓言依然有效.
Mrs Wallner, did you come here voluntarily?
沃尔纳夫人, 你是自愿作证的吗?
Did you report voluntarily to speak as a witness?
你是自愿作证的吗?
Yes.
是
Is it not true that the prosecution asked you to come here?
公诉人要求你出庭不是事实?
That it was very disagreeable for you to come here?
你出庭时很不情愿?
It is always very disagreeable to live over those times.
在这样的年代, 不情愿是很正常的事情.
That would be in agreement with the information I have,
那同我知道的相符,
that you did not want to come. Thank you, Mrs Wallner.
你是不愿出庭的. 谢谢
Mrs Wallner,
沃尔纳夫人
the Nuremberg laws were stated September 15th, 1935.
纽伦堡法案是在1935年9月15日颁布的
- Where were you at that time? - In Nuremberg.
-当时你在哪? - 在纽伦堡.
Did you know these laws?
你知道这些法案吗?
That a physical relationship with Jews was against the law?
同犹太人发生关系是违法的?
Yes.
是
Were you aware that in Nuremberg, and in Nuremberg in particular,
你知道在纽伦堡, 特别是纽伦堡,
not only a physical relationship with Jews was disdained, but every social contact?
别说身体接触了, 就是同犹太人的一般接触也是被歧视的?
Yes.
是
Were you aware that it might have some danger for you personally?
你知道那样你可能有危险吗?
Yes, I was aware of it.
是, 我知道
But how can you discard a friendship from day to day because of some...
但你怎么可以因为这些抛弃多年的友谊呢...
That is another question, Mrs Wallner. I did not ask you that question.
那是另外的问题了, 我没有问你那个问题.
- Were you aware of it? - Yes, I was aware.
- 你知道吗? - 是, 我知道.
Yet you still continued to see each other?
那你们还是继续见面吗?
Yes.
是
It was brought out that Mr Feldenstein bought you candy and cigarettes.
事实证明费尔德斯特先生给你买了很多甜点.
Yes.
是
Remember that sometimes he bought you flowers?
还记得他给你买花吗?
Yes, he bought me many things.
是, 他给我买了很多东西.
That was because he was kind.
那是因为他是好人.
He was the kindest man I ever knew.
他是我认识的最好的人
Do you know the witness, Mrs Elsa Lindnow?
你认识证人, 爱尔莎夫人么?
Yes, I know her.
是的, 认识
- Was she a cleaner at your apartment? - Yes.
- 她是你公寓的清洁女工吗? - 是.
Did Mr Feldenstein come to see you at your apartment?
费尔德斯特先生是否有到你的公寓看你?
- Yes. - How many times?
- 是. - 多少次?
I don't remember.
我不记得.
- Several times? - Yes.
- 几次? - 是
- Many times? - Many times.
- 很多次? - 很多次
- Did you kiss him? - Yes, I kissed him.
- 你吻他了吗? - 是, 我吻了他
Was there more than one kiss?
不止一次?
Yes.
是
But it was not in the way you are trying to make it sound.
但不是你说的那样.
He was like a father to me. He was more than a father.
他对我来说就像父亲, 超过了父亲
More than a father? ! Did you sit on his lap?
超过了父亲? ! 你有坐在他腿上吗?
Objection! Counsel is persecuting the witness
反对!
in the pretext of gaining testimony.
辩护律师在获取证词中迫害证人
Objection overruled.
反对无效
The defence is re-enacting what was a travesty of justice in the first place.
被告又在最初的地方扮演闹剧.
Colonel Lawson, the tribunal makes the rulings in this case, not the prosecution.
劳森上校, 现在是法官席在审理, 不是公诉方.
- You may proceed. - Did you sit on his lap?
- 你可以继续. - 你坐在他腿上吗?
Yes. But there was nothing wrong or ugly about it.
是的, 但那没有什么不可见人的.
Did you sit on his lap?
你坐在他腿上吗?
Yes. But...
是, 但是……
You sat on his lap! What else did you do?
你坐在他腿上! 你还做了什么?
There was nothing that you are trying to say, nothing like that.
不是像你说的那样.
What else did you do, Mrs Wallner?
你还做了什么, 沃尔纳夫人?
What are you trying to do?
你到底要干什么?
Are you trying to...
你是不是要...
Why do you not let me speak the truth?
为什么你不让我说出真相?
That's what we want, Mrs Wallner, the truth. The truth!
那正是我们要的, 事实, 事实!
You admitted that you continued to see him.
你承认你继续同他见面.
You admitted that he came to your apartment.
你承认他到你的公寓.
You admitted you kissed him. You admitted you sat on his lap.
你承认你吻了他, 坐在他腿上.
What else do you admit to? What else?
那你还做了些什么?
Nothing! There was nothing like you're trying to make it sound.
不是, 不是像你说的一样
- What else? - There was nothing! Nothing.
- 还有什么呢? - 什么都没有, 没有
Stop it!
不要!
Stop it!
别说了!
What else do you admit to, Mrs Wallner?
还有什么要说的呢？
Herr Rolfe!
罗尔福!
Are we going to do this again?
我们还要这么做吗?
Your Honour, the defendant has been under such stress that he is not aware...
法官大人, 在这样的压力下, 被告情绪...
I am aware. I am aware.
我知道, 我知道
Your Honour, the defendant wishes to make a statement.
法官大人, 被告要求陈述.
- I believe the defence has a right to... - Order, order.
- 我认为被告有权利... - 遵守秩序
Order!
遵守秩序!
Does the defendant wish to make a statement?
被告是否要发言?
I wish to make a statement, yes.
是的, 我要发言
Your Honour, the defence has the right to request...
法官大人, 被告有权请求...
The defendant has the right to make his statement now.
被告有权现在发言.
- I have to speak with my client. - He has the right to make it now!
- 我要同我的当事人谈谈. - 他有权现在发言!
Tribunal is adjourned until 10.30 tomorrow morning.
现在休庭, 明早10：30继续
What are you doing?
你在干吗?
What do you think you're trying to do?
你以为你在干吗?
They've had G? ring, Frank, Streicher... That's over.
他们已经有格林, 富兰克... 都完了.
Do you think I have enjoyed being defence counsel during this trial?
你以为我作为被告辩护律师很光荣吗?
There were things I had to do in that courtroom that made me cringe.
在庭上我不得不猥琐
Why did I do them?
我为什么要这么做?
Because I want to leave the German people something.
因为我想为德国人保留一些东西.
I want to leave them a shred of dignity.
我想要为他们保留仅有的尊严.
I want to call a halt to these proceedings.
我想要停止这样的审判.
If we allow them to discredit every German like you,
如果我们允许他们 像处理你一样对待每个德国人,
we lose the right to rule ourselves forever!
我们就永远没有主宰自己的权利!
We have to look at the future. We can't look back now.
我们要向前看, 不是向后看
Do you want the Americans to stay here forever?
你想让美国人长驻在此吗?
I could show you a picture of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
广岛和长崎就是最好的例子.
Thousands and thousands of burnt bodies.
无数被烧毁的尸体.
Women and children.
女人和孩子
Is that their superior morality?
这就是他们崇高的道德?
Where do you think they take us? Do they know?
你以为他们会把我们带到哪里? 他们知道吗?
Do you think they have any concept of our problems?
你以为他们都知道我们的难处吗?
What can I say to you?
我对你说什么好呢?
What can I say to you to make you see?
说什么才能让你明白呢?
There is nothing you can say.
你什么都不用说了
Nothing.
不用了
Nothing has happened to alleviate the crisis.
什么也没能缓解这个危机
The crisis reached a head this afternoon
今天下午危机就已经达到了顶峰
when all rail travel between western zones and Berlin was stopped.
西部地区和柏林之间的铁路运输已经停止
The blockade by land is now complete.
地理封锁已经完成
What do you think we're going to do, General? Withdraw?
接下来我们要怎么做, 将军? 撤消?
We can't. If we withdraw under pressure,
不能, 如果我们在压力下撤消,
our prestige all over the world is threatened.
我们在全世界的威望都要受到影响.
The Communists will move in on every front.
共产分子也会大量泳入.
What about these trials, General? How do you feel about them now?
这些审判如何呢, 将军? 你感觉如何呢?
We're committed to the trials,
我们要对审判负责,
but I think it would be realistic to accelerate them as much as possible.
但现实一点的做法是我们要加快审判进度.
What would happen if they fired on one of our planes, General?
如果他们向我们进攻时我们采取什么措施, 将军?
We'll have to face that when it happens. There is no other answer to that now.
到时我们自然要面对, 现在没有答案.
You should try the strudel. It's excellent here.
你应该尝尝这里的甜点, 很出名的.
No, thanks.
不, 谢谢
Dan, I've just come back from Berlin, as you know.
丹, 我刚从柏林回来你知道的
I don't think this is going to be it. A lot of people do, but I don't.
我想本来不该是这样的, 我也不知道.
But it is going to be a fight for survival... for the next ten years, maybe the next 20.
但可以肯定的是这是场斗争, 为将来的10年或20年.
Germany is the key to that survival.
德国是能否幸存的关键.
Any high-school student in geography can tell you that.
高校学地理的同学就可以告诉你.
Just what are you trying to say, Senator?
参议员, 你到底想说什么?
What I'm trying to say is this:
我要说的是:
while nobody's trying to influence your decision,
没人想左右你的想法,
it's important that you realise this because it's a fact of life.
意识到这个很重要 这是生活的真谛.
Let's face it, gentlemen, the handwriting is on the wall.
我们来面对吧, 这是不详之兆啊.
We're going to need all the help we can get.
我们要团结所有力量.
We're going to need the support of the German people.
我们需要德国人民的支持.
More strudel, gentlemen?
还要甜点吗, 先生们?
Herr Janning, you may proceed.
姜宁先生, 你可以开始了.
I wish to testify about the Feldenstein case
我想要证实一下费尔德斯特的案子
because it was the most significant trial of the period.
因为这是当时期最典型的案子.
It is important not only for the tribunal to understand it,
法官席不仅要明白,
but for the whole German people.
对于全德国人民也是一样必要明白.
But in order to understand it,
为了可以理解它,
one must understand the period in which it happened.
必须要知道当时的时代背景.
There was a fever over the land.
狂热恶疾覆盖了大地.
A fever of disgrace, of indignity, of hunger.
耻辱、污蔑、饥饿的恶疾.
We had a democracy, yes,
我们有民主, 是的,
but it was tom by elements within.
但已经在心底撕碎了.
Above all, there was fear.
最重要的, 还是恐惧.
Fear of today, fear of tomorrow,
害怕今天, 明天
fear of our neighbours,
害怕我们的邻邦,
and fear of ourselves.
害怕我们自己.
Only when you understand that
只有当你理解
can you understand what Hitler meant to us.
你才会明白希特勒对我们有多重要.
Because he said to us:
因为他对我们说:
"Lift your heads. Be proud to be German."
"抬起你的头, 以身为德国人而骄傲吧."
"There are devils among us... communists, liberals, Jews, Gypsies."
"我们身边充斥了魔鬼 - 共产党, 自由主义者, 犹太人, 吉普赛人."
"Once these devils will be destroyed, your misery will be destroyed."
"一旦魔鬼被消灭, 你们的烦恼也就解决了."
It was the old, old story of the sacrificial lamb.
这是「牺牲品」的遥远传说.
What about those of us who knew better?
知道更多些的我们又怎么样呢?
We who knew the words were lies and worse than lies?
我们知道的只是谎言?
Why did we sit silent? Why did we take part?
我们为什么要沉默? 我们为什么要参加?
Because we loved our country.
因为我们爱我们的国家.
What difference does it make if a few political extremists lose their rights?
极少数政治极端分子失势有什么区别?
What difference does it make if a few racial minorities lose their rights?
少数民族失去权利又有何用?
It is only a passing phase.
这都是必经阶段.
It is only a stage we are going through.
这是我们必须要走的路
It will be discarded sooner or later.
不久这就将被抛弃
Hitler himself will be discarded sooner or later.
希特勒不久也要被抛弃
"The country is in danger! We will march out of the shadows."
"国家身处危险之中, 我们要大步走出阴影"
"We will go forward." "Forward" is the great password.
"我们要前进" 「前进」是很好的一个字眼
And history tells how well we succeeded, Your Honour.
法官大人, 历史也证实了
We succeeded beyond our wildest dreams.
我们成就了伟大的理想.
The very elements of hate and power about Hitler that mesmerised Germany,
希特勒鼓吹的权利和憎恨弥漫着德国,
mesmerised the world!
弥漫着全世界!
We found ourselves with sudden powerful allies.
我们发现竟然有如此强大的同盟.
Things that had been denied to us as a democracy were open to us now.
民主似乎在向我们招手.
The world said "Go ahead. Take it. Take it!"
全世界都在说 "向前吧！拿去吧!"
"Take Sudetenland. Take the Rhineland. Remilitarise it."
"拿下苏台德区 拿下莱茵河."
"Take all of Austria! Take it."
"拿下整个奥地利."
And then one day we looked around
然后有一天我们回头看看
and found that we were in an even more terrible danger.
才发现我们更危险了.
The ritual began in this courtroom,
仪式就在这法庭上展开,
swept over the land like a raging, roaring disease!
迅速蔓延全国!
What was going to be a passing phase
什么是必经之路
had become the way of life.
已经成了生活的习惯
Your Honour,
法官大人,
I was content to sit silent during this trial.
我很满足可以静静地听审.
I was content to tend my roses.
我很满足这样的看护.
I was even content to let counsel try to save my name until I realised...
我很满足有辩护律师来拯救我的声誉...
that in order to save it he would have to raise the spectre again.
但我意识到死灰复燃.
You have seen him do it.
你们都已经见到了.
He has done it here in this courtroom.
他已经在庭上这么做了.
He has suggested that the Third Reich worked for the benefit of people.
他暗示第三帝国（希特勒统治下的德国） 为人民服务.
He has suggested that we sterilised men for the welfare of the country.
他暗示这些人是为国家的利益而奋斗的
He has suggested that perhaps the old Jew did sleep with the16-year-old girl after all.
他暗示那个老犹太人是同16岁女孩发生了关系.
Once more, it is being done for love of country.
再次, 这是为了国家利益.
It is not easy to tell the truth.
要说出事实不容易
But if there is to be any salvation for Germany,
但只要有拯救德国的办法
we who know our guilt must admit it,
如果我们有罪就要承认,
whatever the pain and humiliation.
不管疼痛和羞辱.
I had reached my verdict on the Feldenstein case
在我进入法庭之前,
before I ever came into the courtroom.
在Feldenstein一案中我已经收到了陪审团的结果
I would have found him guilty whatever the evidence. It was not a trial at all.
不管证据如何他都是有罪的, 这案子没有意义.
It was a sacrificial ritual, and Feldenstein the Jew was the helpless victim.
这是个「牺牲仪式」, 可怜的犹太人费尔德斯特是无辜的牺牲者.
Your Honour, the defendant is not aware of what he is saying.
法官大人, 被告不知道他在说什么.
He is not aware of the implications.
他不知道其中的暗示.
I am aware. I am aware!
我知道, 我知道!
My counsel would have you believe
我的律师让你们相信
we were not aware of the concentration camps.
我们不知道集中营的事情.
Not aware.
不知道
Where were we?
我们当时在哪?
Where were we when Hitler began shrieking his hate in the Reichstag?
希特勒在国会宣泄愤怒时, 我们在哪?
When our neighbours were dragged out in the middle of the night to Dachau?
当我们的邻居们被抓去达靠, 我们在哪?
Where were we when every village in Germany has a railroad terminal
当每个村庄都有了铁路站台, 我们在哪？
where cattle cars were filled with children being carried off to their extermination?
牛车上载满了孩子们时,
Where were we when they cried out in the night to us?
他们向我们哭叫, 我们又在哪?
Were we deaf? Dumb? Blind?
我们瞎了？哑了？聋了？
Your Honour, I must protest.
法官大人, 我要抗议
My counsel says we were not aware of the extermination of the millions.
我的辩护律师辩护说, 我们不知道百万人灭绝的事情.
He would give you the excuse
还给你们找了借口
we were only aware of the extermination of the hundreds.
我们似乎只知道数百人的灭绝.
Does that make us any the less guilty?
这样就可以减轻罪孽吗?
Maybe we didn't know the details,
或许我们不知道细节,
but if we didn't know, it was because we didn't want to know.
但如果我们不知道, 那也是因为我们不想知道
- Traitor! Traitor! - Order. Order.
- 叛国者! 叛国者! - 遵守秩序
Order!
遵守秩序!
Put that man back in his seat and keep him there.
把人带下, 到原来的位置.
I am going to tell them the truth.
我要告诉他们真相.
I am going to tell them the truth if the whole world conspires against it.
如果全世界都反对, 那我就说出真相.
I am going to tell them the truth about their Ministry of Justice.
我要告诉他们有关司法行政部的真相.
Werner Lampe, an old man who cries into his Bible now.
沃纳·兰谱, 现在在祈祷的人.
An old man who profited by the property expropriation of every man he sent to a concentration camp.
从每个被他送往集中营的人中, 征收财产收益
Friedrich Hofstetter, the good German, who knew how to take orders,
弗里德·霍夫斯特, 一个良好国民, 知道如何执行命令
who sent men before him to be sterilised, like so many digits.
把很多人送上了监狱.
Emil Hahn,
爱米尔·哈恩,
the decayed, corrupt bigot,
腐败、堕落的家伙
obsessed by the evil within himself.
将自己的灵魂出卖给了魔鬼.
And Ernst Janning,
还有欧内斯特·姜宁,
worse than any of them...
比他们都要坏...
because he knew what they were,
因为他知道真相,
and he went along with them.
但是还和他们狼狈为奸
Ernst Janning, who made his life...
欧内斯特·姜宁...
excrement...
他的生活简直就是垃圾...
because he walked with them.
因为他同他们一样同流合污.
Your Honour,
法官大人,
it is my duty to defend Ernst Janning,
为欧内斯特·姜宁辩护是我的责任,
and yet Ernst Janning has said he is guilty.
虽然欧内斯特·姜宁 说他自己有罪.
There is no doubt he feels his guilt.
毫无疑问他有罪恶感.
He made a great error in going along with the Nazi movement,
他在纳粹的行动中犯了错误,
hoping it would be good for his country.
但初衷却是为了国家利益.
But, if he is to be found guilty,
但如果他被定有罪,
there are others who also went along,
还有其他追随者,
who also must be found guilty.
也要被定有罪.
Ernst Janning said "We succeeded beyond our wildest dreams".
欧内斯特·姜宁说"我们成就了伟大的理想".
Why did we succeed, Your Honour?
我们为什么会成功呢. 法官大人?
What about the rest of the world?
其他国家表现如何呢?
Did it not know the intentions of the Third Reich?
难道他们不知道第三帝国的决心?
Did it not hear the words of Hitler broadcast all over the world?
他们没有听到希特勒的演说吗?
Did it not read his intentions in Mein Kampf,
难道他们不知道他对畿辅的意图吗,
published in every corner of the world?
全世界都发表了?
Where is the responsibility of the Soviet Union,
那么苏联的责任在哪,
who signed in 1939 the pact with Hitler that enabled him to make war?
在1939年签定和约, 发生了战争?
Are we now to find Russia guilty?
现在要定俄国有罪吗?
Where is the responsibility of the Vatican,
1933年, 同希特勒签定宗教协议的梵蒂冈
who signed in 1933 the concordat with Hitler,
使得希特勒获得巨大声望
giving him his first tremendous prestige?
那它的责任又在哪?
Are we now to find the Vatican guilty?
难道我们现在说梵蒂冈有罪?
Where is the responsibility of the world leader Winston Churchill,
世界领袖之一, 丘吉尔的责任又在哪里,
who said in an open letter to the London Times in 1938...
在1938年伦敦时报发表的
1938, Your Honour...
1938, 法官大人
"Were England to suffer national disaster, I should pray to God
"如果英国也遭受这样的灾难,
to send a man of the strength of mind and will of an Adolf Hitler."
那就派遣阿道夫·希特勒来拯救吧."
Are we now to find Winston Churchill guilty?
难道我们现在说丘吉尔有罪?
Where is the responsibility of those American industrialists
帮助希特勒制造武器的美国军火家们
who helped Hitler to rebuild his armaments,
从中收益
and profited by that rebuilding?
他们的责任又在哪里?
Are we now to find the American industrialists guilty?
难道我们现在说美国的军火商有罪?
No, Your Honour. No.
不, 法官大人
Germany alone is not guilty.
不是单单德国有罪
The whole world is as responsible for Hitler as Germany.
全世界也像德国一样需要对希特勒负责.
It is an easy thing to condemn one man in the dock.
审判处罚一个人很容易.
It is easy to speak of the "basic flaw" in the German character that allowed Hitler to rise to power,
可以简单说一些缺陷成就希特勒
and at the same time ignore the "basic flaw" of character
同时又忽略了缺陷本身
that made the Russians sign pacts with him, Winston Churchill praise him,
使得俄国签定协议, 丘吉尔称赞,
American industrialists profit by him!
美国军火商收益!
Ernst Janning said he is guilty.
欧内斯特·姜宁说他有罪
If he is, Ernst Janning's guilt is the world's guilt.
如果他是, 那么欧内斯特·姜宁的罪就是全世界的罪
No more and no less.
不多不少如此
Major, we have to give the military governor every help we can give him.
将军, 我们要给予军事政府力所能及的帮助.
We have to get 700 tons in the air a day.
每天要保证700吨的空中物资支持.
700 tons.
700吨
This is some operation.
这是操作的问题.
Did you ever think we'd be flying coal and tomatoes in these crates?
你有没有想过我们要支持煤和西红柿?
Tad, you and I have been friends a long time.
泰德, 我们已经是老朋友了
That's why I called you here.
所以我叫你到这来
What are you going to do in court tomorrow?
明天在法庭你要怎么做?
You know damn well what I'm going to do.
你很清楚我要怎么做吗
I know what you want to do... put them behind bars and throw away the key.
我知道你要把他们锁起来, 丢掉钥匙.
You know what's going on here now?
你知道这里发生了什么?
Yeah, I know what's going on.
是, 我知道
You're an army man. You know what we're up against.
你是军人, 你知道我们反对什么.
The others may not, but you do. I'll tell you the truth.
其他人或许不知道, 但我要告诉你
I don't know what's going to happen if they fire on one of those planes.
我不知道如果他们向飞机攻击的话, 会发生什么事情.
I don't know what's going to happen.
我不知道会发生什么
But if I do know this: if Berlin goes, Germany goes.
但我知道: 如果通过柏林, 就通过德国
If Germany goes, Europe goes.
通过德国, 就通过欧洲
That's the way things stand. That's the way they stand.
这就是原则.
Look, Matt. I'm going to go the limit.
听着, Matt. 我的忍耐到极限了
And not you, not the Pentagon, not God on his throne is...
我不是神...
Who do you think you're talking to?
你以为你在跟谁说话?
Who the hell do you think you're talking to?
你到底以为你在同谁说话?
When you were marching into Dachau, I was there too.
当你到达靠时我也在
You think I'll ever forget it?
你以为我会忘记吗?
I'm not your commanding officer. I can't and won't influence your decision.
我不是你的指挥官, 也不会影响你的决定.
But I want to give this to you, and I want to give it to you straight.
但我要告诉你, 直接让你明白.
We need the help of the German people.
我们需要德国人民的支持.
You don't get their help by sentencing their leaders to stiff prison sentences.
把他们领导关押了并不能获得德国的帮助.
Tad, the thing to do is survive, isn't it?
Tad, 现在要做的是如何幸存, 不是吗?
Survive as best we can, but survive.
以最好的方式幸存不是吗.
Just for laughs, Matt.
笑笑吧,
What was the war all about?
战争的意义到底是什么?
What was it about?
有什么意义?
That concludes presentation of documentary evidence against these defendants.
这些都是针对被告的书面证据
Your Honours,
法官大人,
during the three years that have passed since the end of the war in Europe,
战后三年的欧洲,
mankind has not crossed over into Jordan.
人类并没有获得太平.
In our own country, fear of war has been revived
在我们的国家, 战争的恐惧再次苏醒
and we must look once more to our defences.
我们要再次审视被告.
There's talk of cold war while men and women die in real wars,
有冷战的说法, 女人和孩子死于非真正的战争,
and the echoes of persecution and atrocities will not be stilled.
迫害和暴行不会真正消寂.
These events cannot help but colour what happens in this courtroom.
这些虽然没有帮助, 却还是值得留意.
But somewhere in the midst of these events,
但在这些事件中,
the responsibility for the crimes that we brought forward during this trial
我们在庭上审理的犯罪事实
must be placed in true perspective.
必须从正确的角度来审视
And this is the decision that faces Your Honours.
这是你现在要面临的问题, 法官大人
It is the dilemma of our times.
这是我们进退两难的时候.
It is a dilemma that rests with you.
这是要你来做决定的时候
The prosecution rests.
公诉完毕.
The defendants may now make their final statements.
被告可以做最后陈词了.
Defendant Emil Hahn may address the tribunal.
被告爱米尔·哈恩 可以陈词了.
Your Honours, I do not evade the responsibility for my actions.
法官大人, 我不会逃避我的责任
On the contrary, I stand by them before the entire world.
相反的, 我会向全世界承认它们.
But I will not follow the policy of others.
但我不会遵循别人的政策.
I will not say of our policy today that it was wrong
我不会昨天说我们的政策对了
when yesterday I say it was right.
然后说我们今天的政策错了
Germany was fighting for its life.
德国在为生存而挣扎
Certain measures were needed to protect it from its enemies.
出于自卫, 某些政策是需要的.
I cannot say that I am sorry we applied those measures.
我不能说我这么做错了.
We were a bulwark against Bolshevism.
我们是对抗布尔什维克的壁垒.
We were a pillar of Western culture.
我们是西方文化的基石.
A bulwark and a pillar the West may yet wish to retain.
壁垒和基石是西方都需要保存的.
The defendant Friedrich Hofstetter may address the tribunal.
被告弗里德·霍夫斯特 可以陈词了.
I have served my country throughout my life,
我终生都为国效忠,
and in whatever position I was assigned to,
不管我被分配到了哪里,
in faithfulness, with a pure heart and without malice.
只是尽忠职守.
I followed the concept that I believed to be the highest in my profession,
我心中只有一个信念,
the concept that says:
信念就是:
to sacrifice one's own sense of justice to the authoritative legal order,
牺牲小我的正义, 服从法律,
to ask only what the law is,
只遵守法律,
and not to ask whether or not it is also justice.
不要询问法律是否正义.
As a judge, I could do no other.
做为执法者, 我只能如此.
I believe Your Honours will find me, and millions of Germans like me,
我相信法官大人明白的,
who believed they were doing their duty to their country,
很多德国人像我一样,
to be not guilty.
认为他们只是效忠, 无罪
The defendant Werner Lampe may address the tribunal.
被告沃纳·兰谱 可以陈词了
Your Honours...
法官大人...
Your Honours...
法官大人...
The defendant Ernst Janning may address the tribunal.
被告欧内斯特·姜宁 可以陈词了.
I have nothing to add to what I have said.
我没有什么好多说了.
Testimony has been received, final arguments have been heard.
证词收集完毕, 法庭辩论也结束了.
There remains nothing now but the task of the tribunal to render its decision.
审判程序结束, 但是法官席需要时间考虑.
The tribunal will recess until further notification.
法官席考虑到发布告示为止
I've collected several precedents and arguments here
我已经收集了与这个案件的争论焦点
that have a bearing on the basis of the case,
有关的判例和论据
which is of course the conflict between
争论的焦点在于
allegiance to international law and to the laws of one's own country.
遵守国际法和本国法之间的冲突
Dan, we have a mountain of material to go over here.
丹, 我们有一大堆文件要看
- What are you looking at, Dan? - Mm?
- 你在看什么呢, 丹? - 恩?
I was looking at some of these pictures attached to the warrants for arrest.
我在看一些逮捕证的照片.
What pictures?
什么照片?
There's Petersen before they operated on him.
这是皮特森.
Here's Irene Hoffman.
这是艾琳·霍夫曼.
She really was 16 once, wasn't she?
当时她只有16岁不是吗?
Feldenstein.
费尔德斯特
And here's a boy... he certainly couldn't have been more than 14...
这个孩子, 多少也不过14岁
executed for saying things against the Third Reich.
被捕是因为说了不忠帝国的话.
"By order of Justice Friedrich Hofstetter."
"根据弗里德·霍夫斯特法官命令执行."
If I may say so, more pertinent to the legal basis of the case,
对了, 还有更多相关资料,
I have the address of the French prosecutor before the international military tribunal.
我有法国检举人给军事法庭的意见
"It is obvious that, in the state organised along modem lines, responsibility is confined to those who act directly for the state."
很显然, 对于命令的直接执行者, 他们是有责任的
"Since they alone are in a position to judge the legitimacy of the given orders,
"尽管他们只是发布命令,
they alone can be prosecuted."
但一样会被检举."
I have another from Professor Jahreiss...
我还有里斯教授的意见 -
"Legal aspects: trial of the major war criminals".
"法律角度: 主要战犯的审理".
On the basis of these, I don't see where the prosecution
根据这些,
has put forth a really clear-cut case against the defence pertaining to the charges in the indictment.
我真的不清楚检举人针对被告什么
Regardless of the acts committed, we cannot make the interpretation
考虑效忠以外的因素,
that these defendants are really responsible for crimes against humanity.
我们无法解释他们是否需要对行为负责.
- What do you think, Dan? - We've been going over this all day!
- 你在想什么呢, 丹? - 我们已经讨论了一整天了!
If it isn't clear now...
如果现在还不清楚...
Aren't you going to look at these precedents?
难道你不来看看吗?
Aren't you interested at all?
你一点都不感兴趣吗?
I'm interested, Curtiss. You were speaking of crimes against humanity,
我很感兴趣. 你在说人性犯罪,
saying the defendants were not responsible for their acts.
被告们无须为他们的行为负责.
I'd like you to explain that to me.
我希望你可以解释给我听.
- I've just been explaining it. - Maybe.
- 我刚才就在解释. - 也许.
But all I've heard is a lot of legalistic double talk and rationalisation.
但我听到的都是一些含糊的法律条规的说法.
You know, when I first became a judge
你知道, 当我初次成为法官
I knew there were certain people in town I wasn't supposed to touch.
我知道我就要避免接触一些人.
I knew that if I was to remain a judge, this was so.
这是法官的中立性决定的.
But how in God's name do you expect me to look the other way
但你要我从另外一个角度怎么看
at the murder of six million people?
谋杀6, 000, 000人?
- I'm sure he didn't mean... - I'm not asking you to look the other way.
- 我知道不是... - 我不是让你换个角度.
I'm asking you what good is it going to do to pursue this policy?
我是问你如何更好的顺应政策?
Curtiss, you were saying that the men are not responsible for their acts.
你说他们无罪.
You're going to have to explain that to me.
你需要做出解释.
You're going to have to explain it very carefully.
而且要解释的很清楚.
The tribunal is now in session.
法官出席
God bless the United States of America and this honourable tribunal.
上帝保佑美国及检举人.
The trial conducted before this tribunal began over eight months ago.
在历经8个月的审判.
The record of evidence is more than 10, 000 pages long,
有10, 000 多页的证据记录,
and final arguments of counsel have been concluded.
总结了辩护律师的最后陈述.
Simple murders and atrocities
残酷的谋杀和暴行
do not constitute the gravamen of the charges in this indictment.
并不是使犯罪事实成立的控诉关键
Rather, the charge is that of conscious participation
正确的说, 本案控诉的关键是
in a nationwide, government-organised system of cruelty and injustice,
一起全国范围内的, 由政府组织的暴力系统的蓄意犯罪
in violation of every moral and legal principle known to all civilised nations.
是违背了所有文明国家的一切道德和合法原则的违法行为
The tribunal has carefully studied the record
法官席认真考虑过
and found therein abundant evidence
参考了足够的证据
to support beyond a reasonable doubt the charges against these defendants.
对被告的起诉内容表示怀疑.
Herr Rolfe, in his very skilful defence,
罗尔福, 在他有利的辩护中,
has asserted that there are others who must share the ultimate responsibility for what happened here in Germany.
宣称有其他需要承担责任的组织
There is truth in this.
这是事实
The real complaining party at the bar in this courtroom is civilisation.
抱怨的政党在这里受到公开审判.
But the tribunal does say that the men in the dock are responsible for their actions.
但主谋负责人更要负责
Men who sat in black robes,
穿上法官袍的人
in judgment on other men.
审判着其他人.
Men who took part in the enactment of laws and decrees,
参与法律制定的人,
the purpose of which was the extermination of human beings.
目的却是要毁灭全人类.
Men who, in executive positions, actively participated in the enforcement of these laws, illegal even under German law.
执法者更是参与行动, 违法的执行,
The principle of criminal law in every civilised society has this in common:
各国刑法共有这样的通则：
any person who sways another to commit murder,
任何人唆使他人犯罪,
any person who furnishes the lethal weapon for the purpose of the crime,
任何人提供武器犯罪,
any person who is an accessory to the crime,
任何人作为犯罪环节之一,
is guilty.
都归属有罪.
Herr Rolfe further asserts that the defendant Janning
罗尔福另外指出
was an extraordinary jurist
姜宁是一名特殊的法官
and acted in what he thought was the best interest of his country.
他做着效忠国家的事情
There is truth in this also.
的确是事实
Janning, to be sure, is a tragic figure.
姜宁, 是个悲剧人物
We believe he loathed the evil he did.
我们相信他憎恨邪恶
But compassion for the present torture of his soul must not beget forgetfulness
但是对他灵魂的怜悯
of the torture and the death of millions by the government of which he was part.
不能同他参与的罪行混淆
Janning's record and his fate illuminate the most shattering truth that has emerged from this trial.
姜宁的一生在法庭上得到了回顾
If he, and all of the other defendants, had been degraded perverts,
如果他及同其他被告因此被降级
if all of the leaders of the Third Reich had been sadistic monsters and maniacs,
或者第三帝国的领导者们都是恶魔,
then these events would have no more moral significance than an earthquake, or any other natural catastrophe.
那么自然就没有什么道德可言
But this trial has shown that under a national crisis
但审判中可以看出
ordinary, even able and extraordinary men,
在那样的环境,
can delude themselves into the commission of crimes
人人会犯罪也不奇怪
so vast and heinous that they beggar the imagination.
想象一下
No one who has sat through the trial can ever forget them.
人们都不会忘记
Men sterilised because of political belief.
人的扭曲仅因为政治
A mockery made of friendship and faith.
背叛友谊和忠诚.
The murder of children.
谋杀孩子
How easily it can happen.
都可以轻易的发生
There are those in our own country too
在我们的国家也有这样的人
who today speak of the protection of country, of survival.
整天叫嚣着保卫国家, 维护我们的生存.
A decision must be made in the life of every nation.
每个国家都必须要做出一个决定.
At the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat,
当敌人扼住他咽喉的关键时刻,
then it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy,
似乎最好的方法就是利用敌人,
to rest survival upon what is expedient,
用权宜之计保全自身,
to look the other way.
寻找其他出路.
Well, the answer to that is... survival as what?
那么, 答案就是...为什么而活着?
A country isn't a rock.
但国家不是岩石
It's not an extension of one's self.
国家不是个人的
It's what it stands for.
它有它自己的利益
It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult.
国家在困难时更难维持.
Before the people of the world,
面对全世界人民
let it now be noted that here, in our decision, this is what we stand for:
让我们坚守我们的誓言:
justice, truth...
正义、真相...
and the value of a single human being.
还有人权的价值.
The marshal will produce before the tribunal the defendant Hahn.
法庭对被告哈恩做出判决
Emil Hahn,
爱米尔·哈恩,
the tribunal finds you guilty and sentences you to life imprisonment.
本席判你有罪, 终身监禁.
Today you sentence me. Tomorrow the Bolsheviks sentence you!
今天你判决我, 明天布尔什维克就判决你!
The marshal will produce the defendant Hofstetter before the tribunal.
法庭对被告霍夫斯特做出判决
Fried rich Hofstetter,
弗里德·霍夫斯特,
the tribunal finds you guilty and sentences you to life imprisonment.
本席判你有罪, 终身监禁.
The marshal will produce the defendant Lampe before the tribunal.
法庭对被告兰谱做出判决
Werner Lampe,
沃纳·兰谱,
the tribunal finds you guilty and sentences you to life imprisonment.
本席判你有罪, 终身监禁.
The marshal will produce the defendant Ernst Janning before the tribunal.
法庭对被告欧内斯特·姜宁做出判决
Ernst Janning,
欧内斯特·姜宁,
the tribunal finds you guilty and sentences you to life imprisonment.
本席判你有罪, 终身监禁.
He doesn't understand.
他不明白
He just doesn't understand.
他就是不明白
He understands.
他知道
Justice Ives dissenting.
艾夫斯法官反对
I wish to point out strongly my dissenting vote from the decision of this tribunal
我想强烈地指出我与海伍德法官宣读的、诺里斯法官支持的
as stated by Justice Haywood, and in which Justice Norris concurred.
法庭判决的反对意见.
The issue of the actions of the defendants,
被告们的所作所为,
who believed they were acting in the best interests of their country,
自认为是效忠国家,
is an issue that cannot be decided in a courtroom alone.
这不是法庭可以审判的.
It can only be decided objectively,
只能客观的评价,
in years to come, in the true perspective of history.
让历史来验证.
Where shall I put these books, Your Honour?
法官大人, 书放在哪里?
Put them in the trunk, Mr Halbestadt.
放在箱子里吧.
Your Honour, here's something for you to have on the plane.
法官大人, 这是给你路上吃的.
Oh, no. If you give me any more food, I won't have any room for anything else.
你再给我吃的, 我都没地方放了.
But it's strudel, the way you like it.
但这些是甜点, 你喜欢的.
- Thank you. Thank you for everything. - Ja, ja.
谢谢你的招待
- I'll put it in the car. - Thanks.
- 我放到车上. - 谢谢
Tickets, passport, immunisation. I'll have your boarding pass at the airport.
机票、护照免检 在机场查登机证.
See you there no later than three o'clock.
三点以前机场见.
Oh, and give my regards to Miss... what was her name?
对了, 帮我问候... 她叫什么名字?
Scheffler. Elsa.
斯德尔福? 爱莎.
- That's one you owe me. - What do you mean?
- 那是你欠我的. - 什么意思?
Americans aren't very popular in Nuremberg this morning.
美国人今天在纽伦堡很不受欢迎.
- Good afternoon, Your Honour. - Good afternoon.
- 下午好, 法官大人 - 下午好
I came here at the request of my client, Ernst Janning.
我受当事人欧内斯特·姜宁来此.
He wishes to see you.
他希望见你
I'm just leaving for the airport.
我正要去机场.
He says it would mean a great deal to him.
他说对他意义重大
Have you heard about the verdict in the IG Farben case?
你知道法本案子的判决结果了吗?
Most of them were acquitted. The others received light sentences.
多数人无罪, 少数人被轻判.
- The verdict came in today. - No, I hadn't heard.
- 今天判决的. - 不, 我不知道.
I will make you a wager.
我和你打赌
I don't make wagers.
我不打赌
A gentlemen's wager.
绅士的赌博
In five years, the men you sentenced to life imprisonment will be free.
五年后你判处无期的罪犯将自由.
Herr Rolfe, I have admired your work in the courtroom for many months.
罗尔福, 我很欣赏你这几个月的表现
You are particularly brilliant in your use of logic.
你特别擅长使用逻辑.
So, what you suggest may very well happen.
你暗示的可能会发生.
It is logical, in view of the times in which we live.
逻辑上, 考虑我们所处的时代.
But to be logical is not to be right.
但光依靠逻辑是不对的
And nothing on God's earth could ever make it right.
上帝也不是全能的.
Someone to see you.
有人要见你.
Herr Janning.
欧内斯特·姜宁.
Judge Haywood.
海伍德法官.
Please, sit down.
请坐.
Thank you. You wanted to see me.
谢谢, 你要见我
Yes. There is something I want to give you.
是的, 我有东西要给你
A record.
一份记录
A record of my cases, the ones I remember.
我记忆中的案件记录.
I want to give them to someone I can trust,
我想把它交给我可以信任的人,
someone I felt I got to know during the trial.
在审判中我可以相信的人.
Thank you.
谢谢
I'll take good care of them.
我会好好保管的
I know the pressures that had been brought upon you.
我知道审判给你带来的压力
You will be criticised greatly.
你会被舆论批评
Your decision will not be a popular one.
你的决定并不明智
But, if it means anything to you,
但如果对你有意义的话
you have the respect of at least one of the men you convicted.
你获得了被判罪的我的尊重.
By all that is right in this world, your verdict was a just one.
在判决中, 你的判决是正义的.
Thank you.
谢谢
What you said in the courtroom, it needed to be said.
你在法庭上要说的.
Judge Haywood...
海伍德法官...
The reason I asked you to come...
我让你来的原因...
Those people, those millions of people,
那些上百万的人
I never knew it would come to that.
我从不知道会那样
You must believe it. You must believe it.
你一定要相信
Herr Janning, it came to that
欧内斯特·姜宁, 你早就知道了
the first time you sentenced a man to death you knew to be innocent.
当你第一次判处一个无辜的人有罪时.